Supreme Court ruling pulls rug out from under article of impeachment

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump's fans continue to amaze me.

    Why is this thread still active? Based on the thread's title it is based on a false premise. Both Articles of Impeachment, including the Obstruction of Congress offense, is still very much a part of Trump's impeachment.

    Don't Trump's fans know that?
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    You're not supposed to answer questions put to you anymore?
    One would almost think you were unable to, and so make insulting remarks instead
     
  3. squidward

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    Uh, what part of a judge is the one who must compel him are you having trouble with?
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Does the Congress, or Congresspersons, have to respond to subpoenas issued by the Executive, or can they claim the need for judicial approval?
     
  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    OIC, I apologize, I missed that, thank you.
     
  6. StillBlue

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    Yes provided there is a special prosecutor or a grande jury involved doing the ordering, the president, even via the DOJ, can not so order.
     
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    In this case the subpeonas of individuals and government documents the supreme Court has already ruled, twice, against Nixon and Clinton by unanimous vote.
    The twist that the Supreme court is addressing now is can they issue subpoenas for a sitting president's private papers. Just closing the loophole but the obstruction stands, they are not taking up that issue as it is already settled law.
     
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    That's demonstrably false. Remember the end of Muellers investigation? Dems tried to make the argument that since Trump didn't use EP during the investigation that he had waived his right to use it when they started asking for information relating to the investigation? Simple logic should tell you the your statement is false based on this fact.
     
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    The fact you do not understand the issue presented in the OP in no way renders the OP moot.
     
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    Subpoenas are individually adjudicated. Due Process.
    While still going through due process, the executive branch's use of executive privilege is still legal.
    As it is legal, it cannot be contempt of congress.
     
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    Oh, so you could have easily had a judge compel him, but failed to do so.
    Thanks for your admission of failure
     
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    Tell that to Nixon. And not using in the investigation did not pre-empt for Congress.
     
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    You don't really understand how US v Nixon applies here, do you?
     
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    Why do you say foolish crap like I admitted something?
    Congress could have literaly sent their sgt at arm's to collect the materials and witnesses. They chose to impeach Trump instead.
     
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    So they failed again.

    Failure to get your evidence by all legal(or so you say) means available, is your failure
     
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    Because impeachment had a better chance of success.
     
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    Trump's refusal to turn them over was actually all they needed.
     
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    He was in fact impeached.
     
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    Why do you think the exercise of executive privilege while the adjudication of said subpoena is still going through the courts -- that is, a LEGAL exercize of EP -- is an obstruction of Congress?
     
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    you failed to use all legal(or so you say) avenues.

    BTW, a person has a right to have their case reviewed by a judge, even if you believe the law is "settled".
    If the law were "settled" the judge would have compelled compliance.
    Your boys failed to have him compelled by a judge, which makes them failures
     
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    Such disputes are settled by judges. Pea brains don't understand simple concepts.
     
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    and he woke up this morning as president. Burns your butthole don't it ?
     
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    If Trump is impeached the democrats would be smart to quick drop that article in the senate trial.
     
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    Oh do tell, what court are they in? Yeah, yeah, subpeonas of his private papers are going to the supreme Court but all the others previous supreme Courts ruled unanimously that Congress does indeed have that authority. No need to take it to court, it's grounds for impeachment.
     
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    Are you new to our legal system? If they have authority, a judge will compel him to comply.
     

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