Rick Santorum is mentally deranged and sleeps with dead babies.

Unbelievable they would try to use such a private personal tragedy. But then when did the left ever value human life.

 

Really dude, you believe such an stupid rumor?
I don't support the guy as a politician, but I can extend sympathy to another man who lost a child.

Plus, nevermind the fact that Santorum stated that he and his wife took the child home and had her buried.

Thanks for demonstrating how nasty and mean spirited people become when they talk politics.

 

If anything it makes me feel sorry for the guy.

Seems OK to me? I never lost a child. I imagine it's hard and I'm not going to judge the prosses in which people grieve

No, you just make a thread about how the guy is somekinda sicko.

Now he's a mass murder in your book...

Nice of you to stand in judgement...

Typical character destruction by the left. A text book exsample

 

That's about the worst OP I've seen on this forum. I'm appalled that someone would try to score cheap political points over this personal tragedy!

And now rumors.

 

I would normally say this is off limits and a private matter.

However, the Santorums published all this in a book. It seems fair game to ask about it to me. They brought it to the public square. Why would they have done that if they weren't proud to trumpet it?

It does seem odd to me. I've listened to Santorum's explanation and though it seems somewhat reasonable, I still think their actions were a little over the top and out of the norm....especially for Catholics. I'm Catholic and have never heard anything remotely similar to this. Private vigils usually involve the church and the logistics are handled by funeral homes.

 

AS previously stated, his wife was a neo-natal ward nurse for 9 years. This is exactly what they consul parents to do when they have lost a child.

 

Sleep with the corpse overnight and then take it from the hospital to your home and present it to your children.

That's standard procedure? Where is that documented?

I'm calling B.S. on that.

 

To spend time with your lost child and have a private family wake for closure. It is in his book according to what he says, you claim to be familiar with what he wrote in his book, did you miss that part?

 

You can do that without handling the corpse yourself.

Catholics would also normally involve the church..........


It seems to me they have their own version of how to conduct a vigil. The way they did it is not normal. It is unusual. That doesn't make it wrong.... that just makes it worth discussion. Colmes' intentions were obvious and it was out-of-line how he characterized it, so I do think he was being a turd.

If they think it is a great way for families in similar situations to cope with infant death, I would think they would not mind discussing it. They published all the details in a book, which to me, indicates that they wanted to share what they did to the world.

They have to understand that not everyone is going to like their ideas for how to cope (and I think Santorum said as much afterward). It is a private matter that's really no one's business but theirs, but when they publish a book and all the details, they put it in the public domain which makes it legitimate discussion, especially for a presidential candidate. It doesn't bother me and I could see myself voting for Rick Santorum, but I don't see the outrage about discussing it and can understand why people would see it as strange.

 

First of all....when and where did they say they slept in bed with the baby?

Second...I am pro-choice, only because I feel it is every persons right to decide whether to have an abortion or not. I feel this as strongly as I feel it is that it is every persons right to decide not to.

I don't like to be preached to about it one way or the other...but, I understand why it is done by religious people especially.

I disagree with Santorum on his abortion stance, however this is an extremelly personal attack on his family, a family who decided that it was in their best interests to bring that baby home. It would only seem sick to someone who is standing in judgement over someone else. I will not do this.

It is none of our business why they choose to do this, and it doesn't effect my life in anyway whatsoever....nor does it yours.

I will stick to what is important to me in a candidate...what is best for our country. A president alone will never decide on abortion...it just won't happen. I wish the topic would stop coming up during every election. Personal decisions based on what a family did during their time of greif over the death of their infant is their business alone.

The way the left has come out with this story is more disturbing to me than what the Santorums did....by far.

 

Or you can hold your lost child in your arms.

Prove they didn't.

Your conjecture doesn't even come close to facts.

Mocking them as Colmes did is way off the charts, that it is even an issue is absurd.

 

Or "played" with the child.

 

Nothing wrong with that. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about sleeping with a corpse....and taking a corpse from a hospital to their home.

All indications from what's documented in Karen Santorum's book are that the church was not involved. Perhaps they just left that part out.

Facts are:

- They took a dead body from a hospital to their home.

- The dead body then was privately presented to their children.

- They slept overnight as a couple with a dead body between them.

- Karen Santorum wrote a book about it.



It can be spun from there either direction, but those are the facts.

 

Again...when did the Santorum's say this?

I watched the video, didn't hear it. So where did it come from?

 

Yes it is and she was staying overnight due to the birth, they kept the child in the room with them.

Since you have no idea.............best to leave alone.

Note how you have to paint it in such a matter. It wasn't just "a dead body" was it?

Just any ole dead body? Or their baby brother, whose time while developing in their mothers womb they shared, who already had developed of love for.

I don't know of any evidence that they slept with the baby between them other then they may have fell asleep holding the child.

Yes a very compelling and personal journal about her pregnancy and the death of her child................are you trying to make a derogatory point about it?

The only people spinning are you and Colmes. She was a neo-natal nurse, she did exactly as they advise all parents in such a tragic situation, to complete their closure with the passing of their child.

What are you suggesting they should have just tossed the child into the incinerator and gone home? It was their child, the brother of their existing children who deserved their last moments with him.

I'm sorry that you appear to be totally callous about it and hope it never happens to you. My two adopted kids were both premies as was the son my wife and I had. All three had seriuos touch and go moments and we witnessed parents going through what the Santorum's went through during weeks at the neonatal care units. You are obviously pretty clueless.

 

Most certainly.

Odd how TRUE insanity has become the norm. Roe vs. Wade.

I didn't know until fairly recently that abortion is legal because in the Roe vs. Wade court case someone turned abortion into a PRIVACY issue? And they actually made the case??

One of the biggest problems in this country is its judges.

 

If the way you're presenting this is 100% accurate, it IS a bit weird, and unusual. But I wouldn't hold it against someone. Especially someone who believes that that child isn't actually dead, but has simply translated to a place which they call heaven. In that case, a dead body is now just a collection of atoms, the same as a stuffed animal. And it then becomes YOU who can't realize THAT. It's just a picture representing the child who now lives with his Creator.

If it was an atheist who did this, who believes that the kid is permanently defunct, it would be quite weird, though I don't expect that you'd see why.

All things considered, I don't want Santorum to beat Romney or Gingrich anyway, because Santorum is as immature and undeveloped as Obama is, and we DON'T need THAT again, even if he ISN'T inundated with sick liberal beliefs.

 

Are you saying it wasn't a dead body? Of course it was. It was their dead child. What do you think it was?

Ah yes, a compelling and personal journal........published by CCC of America Publishing...

And Available in hardcover on Amazon.com

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Are you kidding me? The Santorums intentionally put this out into the public. If they weren't intending to share it with the world, what were they doing selling a book about it?

Yes. That's exactly what I'm suggesting. LOL Where the heck did you get that?

No. If they wished to have a vigil or visitation, I would have suggested calling a Funeral home to arrange the transportation and handling of the dead child and the Church to administer prayer at the vigil....even if in the home.

What they did is their own way. It's not the way of the Catholic church...and it's not the way most people would or have handled infant death.

 

Just noting how you try to frame it as "just" a dead body leaving out the emotions attached to it.

Yes and hopefully offering support for other familes who suffer such tragedies.

And you think that give you license to make things up and make derogatory remarks and mock them?

Then I hope you never have to go through such a tragedy and hopefully your family knows the respect you give to family members who have passed.

And they choose different, they choose a private moment for their other children to have closure with their lost brother. As pointed out, exactly what Karen as a nurse in neo-natal had counseled other parents.

Since when did Catholic's stop have private wakes in the home?

You can have your last say, this has gotten down to your being unable to appreciate what a family goes through. That is the ground you choose.

 

Your words. I said "dead body" which is completely accurate. I didn't say just a dead body.

Then please point out where Karen counseled other people to sleep with a lifeless baby, take the body from the hospital in the family car and present it to their children.

Where is it documented that she did this? or even any supporting hearsay in this regard?

In America, it faded from practice in the late 1800's.

Practicing Catholics use funeral homes to handle the deceased regardless of whether they go with a traditional vigil or opt for a visitation in the family's own home.

I wouldn't say the Pope would disapprove of what they did. I would just call it non-traditional in terms of modern practice.

 

Pretty low to attack a Father for the way he shows his grief over a loss.
Babies lost this way,are often shown so others can grief and little
brothers & sisters are allowed to witness the grief.
It's not at all Insane.
What is INSANE is the degree to which Leftist Like Eugene Robinson
of the Washington Post try to inspire others to think unwholesome of
a Republican like Santorum over something as deeply personal.
Buckwheats Robinson got his Pulitzer for his constant showering of
Obama Praiseworthy articles during the Campaign.Which means he's a
shill for Obama and those who gave him his Pulitzer are shill Liberals.
This is how low the Country has stooped with a Lamestream so
given to personal attacks they haven't the decency to know what applies.

 

If you look at the Amazon.com review of Karen Santorum's book (where these accounts come from), The reactions are pretty much the same when the book came out in 1998.

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+ Some people found their actions so unusual that they were inspired.

+ Some people found their actions so unusual that they were creeped out.



This is an old story, but it's getting the same reaction as when it originally came out and no one cared who the Santorum's were.....relatively speaking. I would say both sets of reactions are understandable. There doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go with this story either to bash or support Santorum. It was unusual and people will feel how they feel about it.

 

Me from another thread.

Now, like I said, i've been a little hammered for bringing this up. Oh, well, let's just go all in! The more I read about and see of Rick Santorum and his wife the more skeptical I become! Three days of carrying a little corpse around is mentally deranged. I don't care what you call it or how you justify it. It's not normal behavior. It's extremely abnormal behavior, period.

They slept with it in the hospital, they then brought it home the next day for their little children, they then slept with it again.

What's the cut off point before this starts to become disturbing? Four days? Five days? They had in their possession the corpse of a dead baby for 3 days and you people are claiming this isn't disturbing because you're categorizing it as a personal family wake. Nonsense. You don't sleep with dead babies. You don't bring them home and sleep with them for multiple days. Santorum isn't all there in the head. These are not people I would feel at all comfortable having my children take a summer vacation with. They're too cultist like.

"One of the criticisms I make is to the Libertarian right. They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn't get involved in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world. There is no such society that I am aware of where we've had radical individualism and that succeeds as a culture." - Rick Santorum.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gwwmm-cQxU"]Rick Santorum On Small Government (spread far and wide) - YouTube[/ame]

Everything about this man is disturbing. He is the poster boy for the right wing in the eyes of the lying liberal left.

 

And here I only thought liberals only sunk so low to attack a dead child. Perhaps I'm not wrong about the liberal remark though.

You really should be ashamed of yourself.

 

Congratulations XxDEATHSHEADxX and Roon. You can join the rest of your fellow liberals in trashing common decency and morality in hope of winning political points.