A question for Christians

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  1. Felicity

    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What have you actually said, BF? Can you link to your position, or re-quote it?
     
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    I posted my question and gave ample time for anyone who cared to respond.

    Well, do you know what it is?

    I was hoping to see what others might believe it is though I really don't believe anyone here knows what it is.

    In-a-nut-shell this is the gospel of the kingdom:

    It is the announcing or the preaching that God is inviting any and all those who hear and believe it, will rule with Jesus when He returns. The parables that Jesus told was one way He announced it but at the same time hid it from them....but of course, He explained the meaning in private to His disciples.

    The Nobel man in Jesus' story that gave money to his servants to invest and would at some point return and give them positions of ruler ship over Cities, towns and even Nations is Jesus. And so is the sower that sowed seeds, the man that gave different number of talents to his servants and so on. All of those stories was about the kingdom of God and His invitation into it, but not just to be subjects in it, but to share power and authority with God. All human beings came from God and has God material in them, somewhat like a parent that pass on his or her genes to their children.....the spirit that God imparted to Adam and Eve came from God, and so is all the spirit that all humans has.

    It’s not really a new plan that God come up with after Adam sinned……its what He had in mind when He made Adam and Eve. God said they (all human beings) given dominion over the Earth.

    Genesis 1:26 (ASV)
    26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Dominion
    Hebrew Word: ‏רָדָה‎
    Transliteration: rādâ
    Phonetic Pronunciation: raw-daw'
    Root: a primitive root
    Cross Reference: TWOT - 2121, 2122
    Part of Speech: v
    Vine's Words: None



    a primitive root; to tread down, i.e. subjugate; specifically to crumble off :- (come to, make to) have dominion, prevail against, reign, (bear, make to) rule, (-r, over), take
    — Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary



    But eventually that dominion would extend beyond the Earth to include all things…..the seen and the unseen….the near and the far.

    It is God’s pleasure to give us the kingdom.

    Luke 12:32 (ASV)
    32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

    Jesus said seeking the kingdom should be first and His righteousness.

    Matthew 6:33 (Darby)
    33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.

    The saints will rule like kings and make judgment

    Revelation 20:4 (KJV)
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Jesus told His disciples that each one will rule over a tribe of Isreal.

    Matthew 19:27-28 (ASV)
    27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee; what then shall we have?
    28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that ye who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit on the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    The saints will sit with Jesus on His throne just as Jesus is currently sitting on His Father’s throne. The Father’s throne is in Heaven, but Jesus’ throne will be on the Earth.

    Revelation 3:21 (ESV)
    21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

    The saints will judge the world and angels

    1 Corinthians 6:2-3 (ASV)
    2 Or know ye not that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world is judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more, things that pertain to this life?

    The saints will take over the Nations and be their kings

    Revelation 11:15 (KJV)
    15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    Revelation 20:6 (WEY)
    6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the First Resurrection. The Second Death has no power over them, but they shall be priests to God and to Christ, and shall be kings with Christ for the thousand years.

    Our reign with Jesus in the kingdom of God will not end after the thousand years but will last forever

    Luke 1:33 (AMP)
    33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob throughout the ages; and of His reign there will be no end.

    Not only will the kingdom last forever…..it will increase without end.

    Isaiah 9:7 (ASV)
    7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

    The gospel is the reestablishment of God's government on the Earth that was severed when Adam and Eve sinned when they disobeyed God. The kingdom of God is the only solution and purpose for our existence, because all human beings were made to dominate and rule God’s creation. The announcing of that gospel is telling mankind that their rightful place is at His right hand.

    Everything Jesus preached was about and was related to the kingdom of God.....it is the reason He came and why He was born.


    John 18:37 (MontgomeryNT)
    37 "You are a king, then? You!" said Pilate. "You say truly that I am a king." answered Jesus, "for this purpose I was born, and to this end came I into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Every man who is of the truth listens to my voice."

    Jesus came to bear witness of the kingdom. The question is: why aren’t we doing the same? Are we listing to His voice?
     
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    Well, you got it all wrong. Dominion over the earth? What does that mean? What is the secret spiritual meaning of such a privilege? Who or what are the ones that would have such dominion? For that matter, what is the secret spiritual meaning of the word "earth"?

    The question is: why have you not explained what the kingdom of God is? Because you don't know. I have to agree with the others that have expressed their opinion... you have provided nothing that we (even the non-theists) didn't already know.
     
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    I can't show you an error, if you haven't said anything concrete. And I can't refute MM because his thought process seems to be inline with yours.....and neither is concrete.

    But, thats because I'm not smart enough.
     
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    Okay well it took a while for you to get around to it but thanks for sharing your interpretation. I disagree with you but hey, it's not like my interpretation is somehow "more correct" than your interpretation. I just have more formal education on the subject but really, after getting my degree, I came to the conclusion that no one really knows better than anyone else.
     
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    Is post #77 concrete enough for you?



    No, it’s because you don't understand the Bible or don’t study it much if at all. Like I said, is post #77 concrete enough for you?
     
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    No! Because you have not answered the questions in post #78.
     
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    That's because my question was not what is the kingdom of God or what did Jesus meant by the kingdom of God. My question was, what did Jesus preached....what was His message? And no one was able to answer or at least they did not, if they knew what it was that He preached. But I suspect that that kind of question is not something the average Church goer think about or ask.....most so-called Christians would be suprised at what is acually in the Bible IF they were to study it.

    That's not my interpretation......the scriptures that I post are very clear. But of course, if one has bought into the lie that Christians are going to Heaven then one would say what you’re saying. So you or anyone that disagrees then put forth something other than your opinion. It would be nice if one chose to, please address each scripture that I presented(in post #77) and refute them by showing me from the scripture that those scriptures does not mean what each is saying.
     
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    Okay...but what is it that you think will be "ruled"--do you mean as Adam had "dominion over" all the earth when God first created the world and before the fall? (Gen 1:26, 28).

    Are you aware that by the very definition of what a "parable" is, that is is not LITERAL? It is an ANALOGY--which is a comparison, not a literal fact. It is DIDACTIC, mean to "teach"--not to specifically inform factual realities, but rather to convey a principle.

    Do you believe you have been given some "private revelation" concerning the parables like the disciples that walked with Jesus? Please answer that question. It matters a great deal to the veracity of your statements.


    Where is sharing of "power" in the sower? Where is there sharing "power" in the parable of the talents?

    Okay. I believe that too--but it does not support this idea of being given specific "power" over some unknown thing.
    The "dominion" given to Adam & Eve was taken away at the fall.
    [17] And to Adam he said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife,
    and have eaten of the tree
    of which I commanded you,
    `You shall not eat of it,'
    cursed is the ground because of you;
    in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
    [18] thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you;
    and you shall eat the plants of the field.
    [19] In the sweat of your face
    you shall eat bread
    till you return to the ground,
    for out of it you were taken;
    you are dust,
    and to dust you shall return."
    [20]


    Accepting Christ's "dominion" is how man is redeemed.

    CHRIST, not man, has eternal "dominion."

    It's Christ's Kingdom--not ours:
    Eph. 1
    [17] that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
    [18] having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,
    [19] and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe, according to the working of his great might
    [20] which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
    [21] far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come;
    [22] and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church,
    [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all.


    Col.1
    [13] He has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son,
    [16] for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or authorities -- all things were created through him and for him.




    NO--it says specifically they will be priests to the HIGH PRIEST JESUS.

    NOT "kings."
    Read further! Jesus is the "ruler"...
    [6] Blessed and holy is he who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and they shall reign with him a thousand years.

    Sure--but immediately after saying that he gave the parable of the "workers of the field" and explicitly describes the kingdom as a household belonging to one--analogous to JESUS, not followers of Jesus.
    Matt.20
    [1]
    "For the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard.
    [2] After agreeing with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
    [3] And going out about the third hour he saw others standing idle in the market place;
    [4] and to them he said, `You go into the vineyard too, and whatever is right I will give you.' So they went.
    [5] Going out again about the sixth hour and the ninth hour, he did the same.
    [6] And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing; and he said to them, `Why do you stand here idle all day?'
    [7] They said to him, `Because no one has hired us.' He said to them, `You go into the vineyard too.'
    [8] And when evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his steward, `Call the laborers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last, up to the first.'
    [9] And when those hired about the eleventh hour came, each of them received a denarius.
    [10] Now when the first came, they thought they would receive more; but each of them also received a denarius.
    [11] And on receiving it they grumbled at the householder,
    [12] saying, `These last worked only one hour, and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat.'
    [13] But he replied to one of them, `Friend, I am doing you no wrong; did you not agree with me for a denarius?
    [14] Take what belongs to you, and go; I choose to give to this last as I give to you.
    [15] Am I not allowed to do what I choose with what belongs to me? Or do you begrudge my generosity?'
    [16] So the last will be first, and the first last."


    Again--you are literally interpreting a metaphorical literary genre. This is YOUR INTERPRETATION--NOT the revelation of the Kingdom.


    Jesus and the Father ARE ONE.
    John 10
    [30] I and the Father are one."


    That is why Jesus was accused of blasphemy by the Pharisees and Sadducees! However, Jesus did not blaspheme because he IS God--in the Flesh!


    Again--you go beyond what the Scripture says, and draw a conclusion concerning "future events" that is not stated in the Bible. It is an interpretation NOT of authority, but of man.
     
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    It is YOUR interpretation--FALSE to what the Bible tells us concerning "dominion." Jesus the Christ has dominion, and we are redeemed through Him.

    You are welcome. Stop relying on your own wisdom and rely on the wisdom of God.
     
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    Um yeah. No arrogance here eh? It's your interpretation. Nothing more. It's not even a very good one. Your thinking is very limited and your interpretations are puerile at best. You take some scriptures and claim they hold the key to all that Jesus preached but obviously, you're not nearly as informed as you think you are.
    You probably don't even know who the specific audiences of Matthew and Luke were specifically written for, let alone Luke.
    Why didn't John contain the birth of Jesus? And those oh so important parables you babble on about, why isn't there a single one in John?

    I enjoy when people share their interpretations - until those like you cross the line that Jesus himself despised - they try to use religion as a means to establish status or superiority.

    Seriously, you're kinda clueless. So go ahead, babble on about how other Christians don't know what you do (Good thing!)
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    You are free to present one that you consider Biblically based since you believe what I presented is not. I would be curious to see what you have to say or anyone else for that matter.
     
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    I must be on ignore. :roll:
     
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    You were......I am currently responding to yours.
     
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    Part 1

    A very good question. Adam and Eve as the Bible says were made by God to rule or dominate everything on the Earth. But God never made them to dominate or rule over other human beings..... human being ruling other human beings was and is not part of God plan for man. God only allows it the same way He allows all the things that we read about in the Old Testament and what goes on today. God is allowing man to learn his lesion in suffering so that when He is ready, they will be willing to listen.

    But let us get out of the box that many Christians have been placed in. Why do you think God created the universe that is full of countless, stars, planets beyond human imagination? Do you think God created anything for no purpose? It was and is God's intention for man(kind) to not only rule over the Earth but also the entire universe......everything will one day be under man's subjection....including angels.

    God wants to share His glory with man.....He wants to use man to express His power and glory to all creation. The Bible says that creation is waiting for the glorious liberation of the children of God.

    Romans 8:17-23 (ASV)
    17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
    18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward.
    19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
    20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope
    21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
    22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    23 And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.


    So intelligent life will be created on all those lifeless and dead planets.....every one of them will be teeming with life and beauty. And we will be the ones to carry it out.


    A parable is a fictional story to get a point across. The point that Jesus wanted to get across is what the kingdom of God is like. That Jesus expects us to use the gifts that He has given us. That a Child of God is a representative of the kingdom of God and has a responsibility to that government. Our loyalty is to God's government not man's system. That the kingdom of God is a place where all who comes under it will find a home and resting place.....a place of peace. The parables teach that God's people will be given ruler ship over cities and nations.

    Understanding of scripture cannot come from just looking at one scripture. The teller of a parable is to get a certain point across......it does not and cannot tell the entire story. So if you want to know if the saints will share power with Jesus, then you would need to look elsewhere in the Bible.

    For example

    We are joint heirs with Christ. It means that what belongs to Jesus equally belongs to us. As we suffer with Him we shall also share His glory.



    Romans 8:17 (ASV)
    17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.

    We will be like Him/Jesus. Jesus is our older brother.....we came from the same Father....His Father is our Father.

    1 John 3:2 (ASV)
    2 Beloved, now are we children of God, and it is not yet made manifest what we shall be. We know that, if he shall be manifested, we shall be like him; for we shall see him even as he is.

    John 20:17 (ASV)
    17 Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.

    Revelation 3:21 (ESV)
    21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.

    Daniel 7:18 (ASV)
    18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

    When God gives you dominion over something it includes the known and even what might not be currently known. As one becomes more and more inline with God's plan for them, He will show you other arias to dominate. But it starts with your life and the things that pertain to you and then it extends outwards.

    Nope, that is false. The scripture you post though true does not support what you are saying. It does not say that God took man's right to have dominion back from man....man still have it. Only that man's dominion is under the influence of Satan. Taking away man's dominion back would be a violation of God's nature....that is not how God works. The only way that God could rescue man from Satan having dominion or rule over man is that God would have to become a man and take it back on man's behalf....and that is what He did. But He did not take it away from man...He legally took it from Satan having the right to it. God being born as a human man had the right to take it back from Satan, because it was a man that gave it to Satan so only a man could take it from Satan. But man still has dominion and it will always be that way.

    Oh yes, He is. He is fully God and fully man and He will be that way forever. Jesus called Himself more often the Son of man than God. He did that because He wanted to assure us that He is a man and not only God. And all human beings will have dominion forever......we are joint inheritors with Christ, remember?


    That is true, but it is equally true that it is our kingdom as well. More than one person can own the same thing. Jesus said it is God's pleasure to give us the kingdom.

    Luke 12:32 (ASV)
    32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
     
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    Part 2

    Priests don’t reign but kings do. Priests don’t sit on thrones but kings do. But we will hold two offices (king and priest), just like Jesus. Jesus is called a king and the great high priest.

    Hebrews 4:14 (ASV)
    14 Having then a great high priest, who hath passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession.

    Revelation 5:10 (Darby)
    10 and made them to our God kings and priests; and they shall reign over the earth.




    Because Jesus never left the kingdom......adam did, and by extention the rest of humanity. Jesus came to put man back where we rightfuly belong as God wanted us to be.

    So you are also saying that Jesus is not a king and which would mean He is not really ruling.....its just a metaphor for what? But isn't it your interpretation? Is Jesus a literal king or not? Do you know what a king is?


    Yes, that's true but they are also distinct as well. When Jesus was baptized by John, who was it that said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, was it Jesus that said it or the Father? Who died on the cross, was it Jesus or the Father?

    I could add something here but I don't believe you are ready for it.

    The saints will be given power over the Nations and will rule. Kings rule not servants. The children of a king (God is a King) has the right to rule not servants.

    Revelation 2:26-27 (KJV)
    26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
    27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
     
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    The Bible does not say that only Jesus has dominion.


    I am still waiting to see how you from the Bible show me what those scriptures that I presented mean.
     
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    You did not answer my question concerning private revelation.
    :above:This is an invention.

    And, though you will not admit it, it comes from a false teacher.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_cosmology





    Where?




    However, that does not mean we are equal to Jesus as you imply.







    :above: This is tragic irony.

    This is so convoluted. If man has dominion and always had, how could Jesus "take it back" from Satan? You have no logic in these false claims you make, and it is sad that you can't see how very full of error you are. But that is how Satan acts in the world--he takes a Truth and warps it, thus making it appear good, but actually leading astray. May God have mercy.




    Do you believe in the Triune nature of God? Father, Son, Holy Spirit? YES or NO?


    Not "a" God, but God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--one God in three Divine Persons?
     
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    It does. Ephesians 1.
     
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    You cherry pick--AND you mix translations to attempt to support your claims. The above is an example.

    Please note that MOST interpretations say "kingdom"--not "kings."


    Furthermore, you IGNORE the literary genres and read into symbolic language literal meaning. That is simply poor exegesis.
     
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    Jesus did not come to start a new religion at all. He came to clarify the message of God and to open Judiasm to non-Jews.
    By the time he popped in for a visit, religion had become a means of political power, wealth, status etc... and had very little to do with a personal connection with God.
    So he came to say and show some very simple ideas.
    God is everywhere, including in your heart. So you don't need to go to a specific church or ANY church for that matter, in order to connect with God. You already are. When you realize this, you will truly know power, strength, miracles and "the Kingdom", as you put it.
    Don't judge others - especially based on their spiritual path or beliefs (you would do well to pay attention to that one. Something about a speck in your neighbor's eye). Seriously, NO ONE is doing it "right" or "wrong" so just focus on your own path.
    Don't hurt others or yourself.
    Love everyone you can - even those you would consider pondscum or "the least". Even your enemies!
    Don't use God as a means for gain in wealth, political power or prestige. That's just stupid.
    You will be happier if you focus on what you can give others, than you will if you focus on what you can get for yourself.
    Obey the laws where you live. Jail sucks.
    Be happy!
    Don't try to be perfect in your faith or actions. Jesus wasn't so it's not like you're going to do better.
    Whoever you are, whatever you do or don't believe, you are already forgiven, loved and a part of God. Feel that!

    Oh and btw, John doesn't contain the nativity or Jesus Lineage or parables because it was written specifically to the Greeks. They were sort of the "New Age" people of Jesus' day. Only the Jews would be concerned that Jesus came through the House of David (although since Joseph wasn't actually his father, that part of the prophecy was sort of screwy). Parables were part of Hebrew and a few other cultures but not part of Greek culture. They would not have appreciated them. Just in case you were curious.

    There were literally hundreds of writings about Jesus. Most were called the Good News but not all. A bunch of guys decided the church would have more power if they personally picked which books they liked best and then didn't let others have access to them unless they were part of the cool kids. That blows.
     
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    There is nothing in that verse that says only Jesus has dominion.
     
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    It is not a mere verse; it is a chapter.


    Eph.1

    [1] Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God,
    To the saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus:
    [2]Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
    [3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
    [4] even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.
    [5] He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
    [6] to the praise of his glorious grace which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.
    [7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace
    [8] which he lavished upon us.
    [9] For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ
    [10] as a plan for the fulness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
    [11]In him, according to the purpose of him who accomplishes all things according to the counsel of his will,
    [12] we who first hoped in Christ have been destined and appointed to live for the praise of his glory.
    [13] In him you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
    [14] which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
    [15]For this reason, because I have heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love toward all the saints,


    [16] I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers,
    [17] that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
    [18] having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,
    [19] and what is the immeasurable greatness of his power in us who believe, according to the working of his great might

    [20] which he accomplished in Christ when he raised him from the dead and made him sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
    [21] far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come;
    [22] and he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church,
    [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all.
     
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    It did not deserve an answer.....the scriptures that I post are quite clear. So it needs no interpreting.

    There is nothing that I said that even comes close to what that link says about the Mormons.


    If you can't see it and it is mentioned throughout the Bible (some of which I posted), then I can't help you to understand it.


    The Bible tells me that the Word, who is God, became a man and that God-man calls us brothers. That tells me, that though we are mortal now, when He returns He will change us and we will be like Him.

    The Bible said that Jesus was filled with all the fulness of the Father.

    Colossians 1:19 (ASV)
    19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fulness dwell;

    It also says something similar about us......the day will come when we too will be filed with all the fullness of God.

    Ephesians 3:19 (KJV)
    19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

    So Ephesians 3:19 is telling me as well as other verses that we will not be exalted to Jesus' level.



    All I am saying is what you are saying is not in line with that scripture.....in other words, you want it to mean or say what it is not saying.

    Simple, before man (Adam and Eve) sinned their dominion was under God's government. When they chose to disobey God, they in effect moved their dominion from being under God's to being under Satan. If they had not sinned all and everything that they would do would be influenced by God. But since they sinned it became subject to Satan's influence.


    I don't see how that question has anything to do with what I said........Jesus is still a human being at the same time God.....He is one of us. God has joined man to the Godhead.
     
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    It still does not say that only Jesus has dominion. What do you think a king is? A king has dominion and we have been authorized by Jesus to dominate. And when He returns He will give us more authority.

    We have already been crowned kings and priest and when Jesus returns we will rule on the Earth with Him.

    Revelation 5:10 (MaceNT)
    10 and hast made us kings and priests unto our God: and we shall reign on the earth."
     

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