All schools shut down in Augusta County, Virginia, over Islam homework

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  1. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Forfgive my ignorance which is a Western term ? ISLAIMISM or Mohammadanism
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a calligraphy lesson of course. *cough*
     
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    I get what you mean, but I disagree. I just think these people screaming, "I'm a Christian and I don't want my kid to learn about Muslims" is ridiculous. Knowledge is power. The more we know about them, the better prepared we are for the future, and you certainly need to know about Muslims to understand world geography and how ideas are spread. The problem is that these parents didn't learn the same thing in school that their kids are learning now, and they are fearful. A calligraphy lesson isn't going to convert their kid to Islam. There was absolutely nothing different about this year's curriculum than last year's curriculum… except Paris and San Bernardino happened, but there were attacks in Charleston, Lafayette recently too. Making threats to the school system about one lesson that was taught no differently than last year, enough to shut it down, is major paranoia. If anything, closing the schools gave credence to the paranoia.
     
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    So you'd be ok with a lesson of "connect the dots" saying "Christianity is the one true religion"?
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    It's just this is not the time to highlight Muslims or Islam.

    Look Dec 8, 1941 would not have been a good date to open up SUSHI PALACE Japanese Restaurant and Tea House !!!!
     
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    Why should students be taught about religion?

    No you can't.

    The Holocaust happened. The exodus from Egypt did not.
     
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    I have a better idea. Lets pretend that war doesn't exist and ban schools from ever mentioning war.
     
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    Yes a calligraphy lesson is not a means to convert to Islam... But people are spooked .... they are scared .... they are not acting rationally. There is no reason to do things like this and throw gasoline on the fire.

    If the terrorists were Spanish speaking Mexicans and the assignment was to draw a Piñata some people may react badly to that.
     
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    Yes it did I saw the movie.
     
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    What we did instead was to round up Japanese-American citizens and ship them to detention camps while stealing their property.

    That was a blot on America that might have been avoided had we promoted American values in school.
     
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    "Islamism" refers to violent radical fundamentalists - which are a miniscule percent of the ME. And, that is important - please remember that the ENTIRE ME is only 17% of Islam.

    That other thing is just something the West created, probably because people didn't know any better.

    The religion is "Islam".

    A member of that religion is a "Muslim".

    And, the terrorists who claim to be Muslims are denounced by Islam as apostate and criminal.


    The craziest thing we could POSSIBLY do is to start believing radical terrorists - criminals who make up 0.007% of Islam (something around 100,000 terrorists compared to Islam, which is 1,500,000,000). Do the division to see the percent.

    And, accepting the notion that we are in a war against a religion is just a profoundly stupid strategic blunder. Remember that it is the terrorists who want us to believe that.
     
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    Violent fundamentalists are not "a miniscule percent" of Middle East. They are a significant portion of the population in every Middle Eastern country except for Israel and Turkey.

    Violent fundamentalists are also a significant portion of the population in most other Muslim countries.

    The Quran supports their actions.

    Jihadists are a very small portion of all Muslims, but that does not make the rest of them moderate. Conservatives, Islamists and Jihadists are probably >90% of all Muslims.
     
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    Actually it does make the rest of them moderate. They aint raging war with the unbeliever one bit.

    It is a miniscule percentage. A heck of a lot of ISIS and Al Quida members are non middle eastern people. While the significant portion of the population of the Middle East isn't violent one bit. And actually... they are too peaceful, letting the west bomb what they could bomb.
     
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    Cite something.

    You're just making wild and irresponsible guesses.

    Yes, there is violent opposition to several of the truly horrible ME governments, but suggesting that means they are like ISIL in any way is nonsense.

    Iraq? Libya? Iran? Russia? Syria under Assad? Afghanistan? etc., etc.

    The fact that there are humans who don't like living under those regimes and are ready to revolt has VERY little to do with religion.
     
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    We also don't know how many lives that saved.

    Just sayin.
     
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    Logic and reason led me to that conclusion. If you look as any Middle Eastern country except for Israel and Turkey, you will find that Islamofascists have at least some support.

    I am not referring to rebels. I am referring to the Islamofascists, regardless of their status.

    Russia is not a Middle Eastern country, nor is it a Muslim country.
     
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    Oh, please. These people were very well known to be Americans.

    Did we round up Germans?
    Did we round up Italians?
     
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    It was a fact that Japan had agents in Hawaii, so yeah.
     
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    In Iraq, ISIL grew for very specific reasons. The 8+ million Sunnis were disenfranchised and repressed by the government we installed.

    When ISIL assisted and then provided an alternative government, do you propose that those 40K ISIL members somehow converted the 8+million Sunnis?

    When Assad began bombing the 75% Sunni population of Syria, providing an opening for ISIL to contribute against Assad, does that mean that millions of Syrians are now to be considered radical Islamic Jihadis?

    No. I do not accept that. In fact, even right wingers in favor of war don't accept that. McCain doesn't accept that.
     
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    http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/...ligion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
     
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    Islam good, Christianity, bad.
     
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    A German art teacher focusing on it is inappropriate considering the most recent association. We are probably unlikely to agree on social propriety of course... but you go on and have the German make the Jewish kid draw swastikas. It'll be all benign and (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    That move had far more to do with racism than security.

    So, you claim there were agents in Hawaii. But we locked up few in Hawaii, while locking up nearly 100 times as many who were living near the west coast.

    And, for those on the mainland, we stole their property - limiting them to what they could carry, pillaging government storage provided in some areas for additional valuables, forcing land sales to be completed in a matter of a few short days, etc.

    Claiming security drove this is a stretch.

    And, we made no such moves on Germans or Italians, where there were those loyal to those countries in America.
     
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    Hindu swastikas?
     
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