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B I think some may argue that you are radicalised

Let's use this opportunity of open discussion and let me ask you a question: Can it be that some concerns on the far right are being ignored and dismissed (as islamist extremists concerns are similarly dismissed)?

My hot topics are South Africa and Corruption, not islamist issues. However when I was browsing through some articles on this tragedy in Christchurch, I came across this article.

Islamic Takeover: Why Mass Immigration Signals 'the End of Britain'
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2017/march/why-mass-immigration-may-mean-the-end-of-britain

I openly admit that the thought of my daughter having to live under an Islamic style government deeply worries me, and although this is Britain it certainly stands to reason that the same could happen in Australia.

Does this make me islamophobic or a right wing extremists?

And if due to my concerns I openly campaigned for slower muslim immigration or a completely stop does this make me islamophobic or a right wing extremist and why? And how does it prevent my "fear" from coming into fruition?

 

The question could be asked of many people whether they are on this forum or not..
"Would you like to live in a country which was totally islamic?"...No...why not......
Of course Im labelled islamophobic for saying this...so then I ask another question...
"If the populations of every country in western civilization are decreasing to the point that they cannot sustain themselves, and immigration is thrust upon them in great numbers to halt that reduction...what do you think will happen to that country.......guess......"
Just sayin'.....

 

I suppose I'm curious to know if those who do not share these concerns have an answer or a solution as to why this should not be a concern. OR Whether they just don't think about it.

And

Whether those who do have concerns are dismissed as radical, islamophobic or extreme right wing

 

I found it quite noticeable that, upon reading numerous news links about the massacre by this nutjob, there
were thousands upon thousands of comments on various links...even threads started on this forum running into numerous pages....are all these comments from one side of the fence....no way....Im not going to count them, but Id bet my bottom dollar that the comments were from both sides of the fence....
Obviously its a time where everyone is venting their spleen, one way or the other......
As I said on another thread, maybe its time for mankind to confront islam, rather than concede...
Just sayin'.......

 

Hmmm,
confronting Islam was just done, in NZ, in case it slipped your mind.....
I wouldn't want my kids to grow up under Islam, as I wouldn't want my kids to grow up under any other religion.
Religion should not be allowed to play any major role in any society.
But islamophobia is growing, fed also by our own governemnt, being Libs and Nationals.
I still stand by it, stopping the boats wasn't done to save lives, but to keep Muslim out of our country.
Did someone watch F1 today? They did remember the passing of C.Whiting for his long role in F1, however the terrorist attack in NZ wasn't highligted in the same way. A coincidence?
There are still more Muslim being killed worldwide through wars or other atrocities, far more than Christians!
Reg.

 

I don't think anyone was keeping anything secret. I knew there were another one or two men and a woman arrested. It would be weird if they did not have something to do with it, but the news has presented it as if he was the only one. I have been waiting for news of the rest. I seem to remember the BBC last night speaking about cells as well.

 

Wow! Is this real?

http://archive.is/61wd6#selection-909.2-932.5

 

It is a lot easier for the governments and authorities to write these things off as so called lone wolf attacks rather than the thought they are organised groups or cells.

 

Cats who are the perpetrators of these Muslim deaths, can’t all be at the hands of Christians.

Also if the western world have an issue with Islamophobia what is the phobia the Arab world has for western civilisation, or is it just a one way street?

 

Did anyone mourn the 120 christians killed in Nigeria recently and the 140 homes destroyed...youre a hypocrite....
BTW "islamophobia" is just a word created by islam to silence free speech...just a word......

 

I came across this question from David Koch to Pauline Hanson

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ine-Hanson-Christchurch-terrorist-attack.html
It's the same concern I expressed and I'm sure there are many more people with this concern that would never hurt a fly.

Why does my concern about the future of Australia and my daughters' place in it make me complicit in terrorism? How is this fair and why is this concern not a valid concern but considered a membership to terror? Why are we not allowed to care about this issue?

Does this mean I have to embrace Islam? I don't want to embrace Buddhism or Catholicism either. Does this make me Buddhisphobic and Catholicphobic?

 

Koch is a moron....Hanson and Hinch would both be in the dole queue if not drawing a senators salary.
Annings comments as a senator were ill conceived and absolutely ludicrous...
Although Hanson at least has the balls to call for dialogue on islam...
Dialogue is what is needed not a moron like Koch trying to justify his existence....
The result of this maniacs massacre in NZ will be a shutdown of all criticism of islam.
Even now, politicians in Canada are campaigning to shut it all down....
JFK once said..."Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ... .......13 March 1962
This video is lengthy but try it from the 50 minute mark for a prediction of what will now happen.....
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/...ealand-massacre-and-how-it-is-being-exploited...

 

I'm pretty sure you dont understand the meaning of the word. I hate to burst any bubble of self importance but I don't recall yr posts and wouldn't have wasted time clicking on links in posts that are full of insults as yours appear to be. I'm not even sure what you think yr achieving here. Displaying butt-hurt feelings because someone else gave me directions to the manifesto and unlike you they were pleasant? If so, you're doing well

 

I've only read the first two pages so far. It's like wading through a bowl of lumpy porridge with his bland writing style. I'll get through the rest after I get more pressing stuff done this week but even after what little I've read so far theres no disputing hes a white nationalist. I agree hes no nutter. Too much planning over too long a period of time for that. Hes been radicalized at some point and itll be interesting to see where and when that happened.

I feel terrible for his family. They're his victims as well, though in a different way than those he murdered. I can't even begin to imagine how his mum must feel right now.

 

You might like this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/christchurch-islamophobes-media-anti-muslim

 

I have no doubt that the debate about islam (if we want to call it that) will be shut down.

 

I'm firmly of the belief that if we dont try to understand the reasons why terrorists committ their atrocities then theres no way of combatting them. Hate speech is against the law here and I wouldnt want it otherwise. Why should neo-nazis and Islamic extremists be allowed to spread their poison?

The free speech argument reminds me of the debate on how to deal with Holocaust Denial. US scholars generally argue for the 'let them speak and we will refute them' but the issue is that approach gives them a platform and lends them legitimacy. I'm on the side of shutting down hate. Educate people on what it is, but ban the hate groups. Theres been a lack of action when it comes to white nationalist groups and they need to be treated every bit as seriously as Islamic extremist groups

 

Interesting that her lack of interest in trying to speak to Islamaphobes is all that touched you in that article. She though has discovered the paradox of tolerance, that trying to be tolerant of the intolerant simply leads to the death of tolerance - the very thing many people believe is what resulted in the Nazis gaining power while the most liberal people in the world, German liberals were trying to talk them out of it. Impossible.

 

I have always suggested to people to read the koran and the sunnah and make up your own mind...
for that I get called islamophobic....
The murderer in NZ should be given a lethal injection..or maybe "found" hanged in his cell one morning...apparent suicide..

 

I admit I didnt read the article in its entirety..sometimes the message of the article can be summed up by its conclusion.

 

Over two years ago when I used to post at Democratic Underground, the owners refused to ban a member who said Muslims should be rounded up and put in camps. The same owners who would instantly ban anyone who said anything similar about African Americans or Jews. The hates always been there but now it's way more open.

Some of what I saw in that other thread makes Fraser Anning look like a tolerant man.

 

No, you missed the message.

 

Well, humour me...what is the message....(in your opinion)....

 

He was speaking very much like posters there and you are very right about the difference between hate for Muslims and Jews. Jews are now us. We live in Judeo Christian societies we are told. Muslims are the other. The article I left a link to also makes clear that our governments are allowing this to be so. Hatred of Muslims has become mainstream. It is difficult to exaggerate the danger in that. The first paragraph in the quote below is what we have seen on that forum although some of them did not even try to condemn this particular act before they got started on the blaming of Muslims for it like Anning did.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/18/christchurch-islamophobes-media-anti-muslim

 

There's no ' liberal mainstream in Australia. The closest would be the ABC and they strive to be politically balanced. Alan Jones. Ray Hadley. Sky After Dark. They're mainstream and by no stretch ofthe imagination are they liberal.

Anning? The beauty of the argument for/ free speech is that the vast majority of Australianshave spoken out against that sick Muslim hating pOS. Free speech doesn't mean people must be polite about or agree with the views of bottom feeders like him. He hasa voice. Let's see if he can use it without needing his Brownshirts to put kids who egg him in chokeholdS