Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

Lowest deaths per capita in the union.

 

BS!

 

You are not like me. I notice lies and fraud. You cheer them....

 

Yes he deserves credit. I doubt he’ll get it though. Peer reviewed studies suggest that natural immunity is stronger and longer than vaccinated immunity so I bet that state sees lower numbers for quite a while. They’re not one of the least vaccinated but they did have one of the most infections in the nation. So my guess is we will se a reversal of that states stats.

 

Florida is nowhere near the lowest, but feel free to credit him for something that is not even true.

 

Prove him wrong.

 

This is pumpkin picking.

Florida had one of the worst summer spikes this summer.

So, now it rolls back the other way and those who like this guy regardless of WHAT he does want everyone to PRAISE him.

And, they want to do so regardless of having even just a CLUE concerning things like cause and effect.

 

You would not be one of the posters Willreadmore claims never cites anything would you be?

 

This data is subject to change.

You even pasted this.....

Also the OP is discussing

And i will quote the article so you cant bullshit your way around it

Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

Andrew Romano
·West Coast Correspondent
Wed, October 27, 2021, 5:00 AM·8 min read
In this article:

Which U.S. state has the lowest COVID-19 rate right now?

It’s not California, home of America’s strictest mask and vaccine requirements. Nor is it Vermont, even though 71 percent of residents there have been fully inoculated — the most in the country.

No, the state with the fewest daily COVID cases per capita is the same one that recently had more than any other: Florida.

It’s been quite the reversal. In mid-August, Florida was averaging about 25,000 new cases a day, or about 116 for every 100,000 residents.


And you switch to fatality rate... Did you think no one would notice? Talk about debating dishonestly!

 

DeSantis is a shining Dem. Great recovery from the summer's Delta spike, great economic recovering as well.

Nation added 194k jobs in Sept. 84.5k were in FL.
6% of the population, but 44% of the jobs.

 

Our Nation's Finest Governor:

Ron DeSantis
@GovRonDeSantis
"34 days ago, @FLSurgeonGen signed a rule that empowered FL parents, eliminated healthy quarantines & kept healthy kids in school. Now, FL has the lowest COVID rate in the nation, our schools had a 76% decrease in cases since the rule became effective & a 90% decrease since August."

FL with 6% of the population only has 4% of the active cases. All while protecting Freedom, Liberty, and creating almost half of the nation's jobs last month.

CA has only 12% of the population but 23% of the active cases, terrible performance.
VA has only 3% of the population, but 7% of the active cases, another terrible performance.
WA has only 2% of the population but 4% of the active cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

These Blue stats could watch DeSantis and learn a thing or two!

 

DeSantis has said that Mask and Vaccine Mandates are unnecessary for stopping the spread of COVID. I am still working on the Vaccine angle. My research on Masks have supported his statement, but it is far from conclusive. The claim that masks have anything more then a placebo effect.

The first Mask Mandate was handed down by New Jersey on April 8. Almost immediately, the numbers of new cases started dropping. Within three months, the 7-day average had dropped by 90%. But at four months after the mandate was issued, the numbers started rising again. By January 15, 2021, the 7-day rolling average was 80% higher then it was when the mandate was issued. There were two more spikes after that one. So, did the issuing of a mask mandate lead to the initial fall in the number of cases? If so, why hasn't it helped since?

Next, let's look at California. They did not issue a Mask Mandate until Jun 18, 2020. On that day the state reported 6471 new cases that day and 4623 for a 7-day average. The single day average for that timeframe peaked at 12,579 on July 9th, and the peak for the 7-day average was 10,450 on July 13th. It dropped to 2014 (Sep 8, 2020)/3057 (Sep 13, 2020). It peaked again on Jan 10, 2021 with a 7-day average more the 1000% of the level when the mandate was issued. In June 2020, they reached the lowest 7-days average at 863. Then like every other state, around the first of October 2020 the numbers rose again dwarfing the previous spike. Then it fell after the first of the year. Reached the lowest point (since the first spike) around the first of June 2021. Then another spike, and now it is dropping.

The actual dates may waver, as well as the size of the spikes. But most states follow the same pattern whether they issued a mask mandate or not. That leaves the question, has a mask mandate changed anything? Do the use of masks change anything? It should be noted that more then a quarter of the states in this country did not issue a state mask mandate. But you hardly hear about the other 12 states. Most coverages deal with Florida alone.

As far as whether the vaccine is working is far more difficult to track. There is one piece of information being intentionally kept from the public. That is how many of the current cases have been vaccinated? First shot? Second shot? Booster? How many of those new cases have received Pfizer vaccine? Madeira Vaccine? Johnson & Johnson? Until we know that, we can not truly know if the vaccines are working, or are even necessary.

Whether talking mask or vaccine or both mandates, you have to realize that a speculation of whether they work or not can only be base on speculation. We can not know what would have happened if they mandates had not been issued. There is one factor that can not be overlooked, nor should it be so easily discounted. That is that people that use masks, get vaccinated, and practice social distancing, still get sick, are hospitalized and die from COVID. While others that do not wear masks, refuse to get vaccinated, and/or do not practice social distancing do not test positive or even get sick from COVID. As long as this happens, there has to be speculation as to whether masks, and/or vaccines truly help.

And yes there have been some serious manipulation of the data, and controlling of the narrative, going on. If you look at the day to day tracking of new cases, you will see that there are days when there are sudden one day spikes that throws everything off. Now it is possible that someone is holding back the number of cases and then adding them in batches in order to cause spikes. It is also possible that they are adding non existent cases to make the numbers to look worse then what they are. But I think the most likely case is that hospitals and testing facilities miss days sending in the data, and then report them in batches. In this more likely scenario, the person entering the numbers into the database is supposed to enter then based on the actual date, but they take the shortcut of entering them all under one date. This is why I rely heavier on the 7 day average then I do on the daily entry.

CDC COVID Data Tracker

Finally, monoclonal antibodies are a treatment. Not a prevention. They are designed to boost an individual's immune system until the person can start creating their own antibodies to fight the disease. This issue with this is that the Federal Government is controlling the supply. Over the summer 7 states utilized 70% of the supply of this treatment. The Biden Administration is reallocating the supply that they control reducing the amount available to Florida. DeSantis has taken the steps to go outside the government network, and purchase from manufactures that are not controlled by the Biden Administration. But that does not have anything to do with the numbers of new cases being reported.

 

Do you wait until the dead are backed up to order portable morgues, or do you do that in advanced? In other words, was the Governor being proactive or reactive? You narrative is claiming that he was being reactive, but you offer nothing to back that up. How many of those 14 portable morgues actually utilized, and for how long?

The only thing DeSantis changed was on which date a death was reported. Previously, they had been reported on the day the death certificate was completed. This gives a false picture of how many deaths are actually happening per day. Let's say, you have a morgue that is backed up. Their chief concern is completing that autopsies, and getting the bodies back to the love ones for proper disposition. Then later, they work to catch up the paperwork. So, they complete five days worth of death certificates in a day. Now did 50 people die on that day, or was there an average of 10 deaths per day? The way most states are reporting, they are creating spikes that do not exist. What DeSantis is doing is reporting is making sure that they have a true picture of who died that particular day. It actually smooths out the data to give a solid picture. Remember, Florida has already had a problem with the CDC batch loading multiple days deaths under one date. They do not transmit their data to the CDC over a weekend. So, a transmission on Monday will have the number of deaths for Friday, Saturday and Sunday. They are broken down into the three days. The CDC was taking those numbers and adding them together. Then reporting them as having all died on Monday. If you look at the CDC Tracker you will see that consistent throughout the CDC reporting for all states. (look at the gaps between dates, and the days where the numbers are inconsistently low, then spike, then low again and then spike. This is why the 7 day average is considered the most accurate information.

The process that DeSantis does not do anything, but provide more accurate data. The same number of deaths will be recorded, but they will be reported on the day the death actually occurs. Not be batched loaded because someone got behind in the paperwork.

Further, that has nothing to do with the content of the article, or the reporter's circular logic.

 

It would be nice if liberal has such integrity, but they don't. DNC narrative: "If there is a failure, it is due to the GOP. If something good happens, it is because of the DNC. No matter what happens, twist it to match the narrative." In their opinion, fiction speaks louder then facts.

 

The spike happens earlier in the southern states due to more being inside and moves to the northern states when more people stay inside. No amount of vaccination rates stop it from spiking because the vaccinated can pass it just as easily.

 

We praise him because we all knew it would wave back down WITHOUT the need to go full Biden authoritarian.

Thanks for playing.

 

Now, all you have to do is to try to validate this assumption of yours.

 

Yes, you didn't care that it went through through the roof.

So, why would you care WHAT it was doing or what it will be doing next?

I really think you need to adjust your claims on this. You literally didn't care WHAT would happen to the Florida population or that of the rest of the USA.

So, NOW claiming that you did care is pure sophistry.

 

vaccine efficacy.

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...e-efficacy-for-the-general-population.593729/

 

Comparing natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity is fine to do, but there are plenty of studies that justify the CDC strong recommendation that those who may have natural immunity should get vaccinated.

Beyond that, natural immunity has been shown to decrease over about the same 6 month time frame.

So, what's the plan after that 6 month decline of natural immunity (assuming for the moment that natural immunity is in any way sufficient or optimal)?

 

Natural immunity settles in bone marrow with particular types of cells. It’s called immunity memory and can last years to decades. Natural immunity is optimal because it can react to more than just one protein.

 

The studies of natural immunity that have been posted on this thread do NOT support that idea of how immunity lasts.

Let's remember that vaccines merely cause the immunity - they do not provide it. The vaccines are designed to cause a giant step forward.

 

Yet they are not doing well against the delta variant whereas natural immunity does.

 

So you say.

 

Natural immunity to Covid lasts about 6 months, although it can last longer in some instances. That's why some people have already had several stints in the hospital, although the visor popped up only last year.

It works very well against the Delta. What is the point in trying to discourage people from talking it? If you dont want to take it, then fine, - no one cares, but there might be people who can end up dead because they listened to you.