Florida now has America's lowest COVID rate. Does Ron DeSantis deserve credit?

They lied because they were receiving funding for every death. How do you not know this? The lead doc where I work had colleagues across the country in hospitals and said there was no reason not to mark everyone with Covid who showed any symptom what so ever. They didn’t even have the tests or time to test everyone last spring and summer. Any cough or fever were marked as Covid because no one could deny it or disprove it. Hospitals were hemorrhaging profits and needed to make up the difference.

And you certainly have a side. It’s a side that LIES about FL and has been obsessed the entire time and time and time again proven WRONG!!! Your stats have been plucked from blogs and tinfoil hat wearing loon sources.

We have not suffered any more than any comparable blue state, yet our economy hasn’t been obliterated like CA and NY. And our population is older, yet NYs elderly suffered far worse. You’ve lied about Desantis constantly even though he’s done a better job than NY and CA by every measure really. So yes, you have a side. The losing side.

 

Why? I wasn't comparing Canada & the US. For the purposes of this discussion I can't see why it even matters if your city is 2 million or 5 million, but sice you see to think it is important, Canada has more large cities than Florida. Canada has 6 cities of 1 million people or larger, of which 3 are over 2 million. Florida only has 4 urban centres over 1 million and also 3 over 2 million. So, by that measure Canada wins....I guess.

Want to guess how many US states have fewer deaths per million than Canada? I'll help, its a prime number and an even number. Not many of those. Plenty of US states without a single urban area as big as Canada's top few cities had more COVID deaths per capita. Face it, America messed up and some American states especially messed up - Florida being one of them. The result is a lot of uncecessary deaths. You can twist & turn & throw out every poor argument you can provide, you can't change those facts.

I'm curious, when you become a conservative do you have to pass a course in poorly researched poorly thought out arguments, or is this some sort of self selection? Maybe you all get your bad arguments from the same place? That would certainly fit with the herding behaviour so common to conservatives.

 

All true, though not part of the conservative narrative. Those cases didn't fit that narrative, so they don't get talked about.

They tended to focus on people who were 'going to die anyway', which turns out to be something close to 50% of the population. For a while now I've watched the range of people conservatives performatively dismiss as 'worthless' expand. It used to be just certain minority groups, but now it turns out its practically everybody. What happens to a political movement when it decides the lives of virtually everyone who isn't a foetus (or presumably gestating a foetus) can end if it means conservatives get a haircut & don't have to wear a mask? What happens to a nation when that political movement has so much power? Fortunately I get to watch that from a distance. You have a box seat. Good luck!

 

Three types of Conservative;

Below average intelligent
Average intelligent
Above average intelligent

Well, I’m an above average intelligent conservative, AND in 2020, the main reason(s) why we had a severe Covid19 Summer Wave, and Canada did not......isn’t because Canada has lower obesity rates, or lower population density rates.

In fact, in 2020, only two nations had a Summer Wave; U.S., and Peru

 

I have met a few of your kind. Used to be a lot more around in the 90s & early 2000s. Nowadays you seem to be solitary creatures who are increasingly rare in the wild. The waves of purges that started with Gingrich have been terrible. Good luck to you.

Not sure Peru is company I'd be keen to keep. For a variety of reasons, none of them demographic, I don't think the US was ever going to have as low a rate of COVID deaths as Canada. However, it could have been quite a bit better than it was.

 

I don't fall for conspiracy theories about doctors being liars.

This is a dishonest thing to say, and its telling you never have anything to back up comments like this.

Another personal accusation. What have I lied about? Everything I have said about that hack has been true.

If truth and facts is the losing side, it would mean you are winning, but thankfully that is not the case.

 

When all this started in early 2020, there were many articles published, as I know you're aware.

Several articles then referred to tests conducted in laboratories in this country beginning in 1946 and running until about 2014 that tested the efficacy of paper/surgical type masks in preventing the airborne transmission of the flu virus. All those tests concluded that the efficacy of such masks in preventing airborne transmission of virus could not be established.

On the anecdotal side, I know numerous people who wore the masks religiously and faithfully, including several in the medical industry, and they still became infected. I seldom wore a mask last year, and was exposed to many who were infected, and somehow I didn't become infected. Yes, I supplement heavily, so maybe that explains it. Two months ago my doctor told me my immune system was strong, with very high Vitamin D levels, and I make a point of spending some time in direct sunlight every day.

Today, masks are the sign of true believers in the Dogma of Fauci. They are also signs of submissive personalities that are not well informed about the efficacy of masks.

 

So, even after 2 years you still don't know that the idea behind wearing a mask was to limit the the spread of the virus from you to others. It does not protect you, so yes, you can still get infected if you wear one if people around you don't wear them

Down here in SE Florida we didn't have a choice. Practically every business mandated them, and that didn't end until around May this year.

We got plenty of sun down here, but we got hit HARD. 60 000 Floridians are dead in 1.5 yrs. That's more than the whole nation lost in 10 years of war in Vietnam, and that war was a HUGE deal.

 

A little bad news for you sir: mask or no mask, the virus is everywhere. Navy vessels, pro sports teams, animals in the zoo.

"Limiting the spread" is a propaganda term that most people fell for, along with "flattening the curve". We've all been duped, some more than others.

 

pfft, the northern license plates are starting to appear everywhere. In a week, the Canadians will also arrive as their country has let them out

Here they come with their viruses (not just covid) infecting folks who live in FL

 

Quote; I don’t think the US was ever going to have as low a rate of Covid deaths as Canada.

Agree!

First Wave.....Due to a CDC Testing Kit screw up, the U.S. surpassed Canada’s Covid cases per capita mid March 2020. In fact, by mid March, the Province of British Columbia, 5 million population, tested more citizens/did more contact tracing than the entire United States.

Second Wave.......In the US, early re-openings at a high positivity rate, our nation-wide mass protests, no mask/no distance political gatherings, and people flocking the beaches/swimming pool cocktail parties on Memorial Long have catalyzed a Summer Wave, and the Canucks had none of the above. In fact, while several Southern States were struggling to contain their outbreaks, the Canucks kept reducing their daily cases to near ZERO.

Thus, attention ToughTalk, your Obesity/Population Density comparison between the US and Canada weren’t contributing factors that explains why both nations have a differential of 2,000 Covid deaths per 1M pop.

 

Number of deaths from Covid since Jan 20th 2021
California : 35000
Texas: 37500
Florida:33000
New York: 15000

Population of New York same as Florida.
Population of California double Florida

Florida's covid policy has been disastrous and Florida has also fudged the figures to make it look that they are not as bad as reported

 

Here’s a mind boggling fact that will leave you speechless;

Google; Covid19 Pandemic in Florida, Wikipedia

Note; All Covid Data have been published by DeSantis Florida Health

Note; In reference to Florida, Zorro recently posted a death rate of .0028, thus, 59,497 Covid Coded Deaths, RESIDENTS ONLY, divided by 21.477 million pop = .0028

Note; Florida Health also claimed that there have been 740 Non-residential Covid deaths, STRANGE????? considering the fact Florida has 100,000 + migrant workers, and 750,000 + Illegals, thus, excluding Snowbirds/Vacationers/Visitors, here’s a mind boggling math;

740 Non-residential Covid Deaths DIVIDED by 850,000 migrant workers/illegals equates to a death rate of .00087, thus, Florida’s Non-Residential Covid death rate is at least 300% less than its Residential Death Rate????

Yep, a mind boggling fact, considering the fact Republicans have often accused Florida’s migrant workers and their illegals of spreading the Delta Virus.

 

Correction;

Florida’s past, current, and tomorrow’s number of Covid Coded Deaths......RESIDENTS ONLY!

Source; DeSantis Florida’s Health Department

Note; Most State’s Health reports both Residential and Non-Residential Covid Deaths.

 

Fake news.

Here’s what changed: Instead of counting each COVID death on the date it was recorded, as many states do for their daily COVID stats, the Florida Department of Health switched to a different methodology, counting each death on the date it actually occurred.

 

In addition, Canucks/Snowbirds can’t board an airplane if they aren’t fully vaccinated.

Quoted by DeSantis, July 2020; “The name of the game is to keep Floridans out of hospitals”

My question to you; How do we keep Covid infected people out of hospitals?

 

You are totally bemused!

Once again, Florida Health only reports Residential Covid Deaths.

Google; Covid19 Weekly Situation Report, State Overview - Florida Department of Health

Number of Covid19 Deaths, RESIDENTS ONLY

Fake news??????

Phook off!

 

IN ADDITION;

Covid19 Weekly Situation Report, State Overview - Florida Department of Health

Last page, “General Notes”

New Case positivity based on the number of people for whom the Department of Health received PCR or antigen laboratory results.

Responses from the below average intelligent posters;

1. PCR Tests are innacurate/obsolete

2. Florida now has the lowest positivity rate/Delta cases

Note; Response # 1 contradicts response # 2

Once again, it is soooooo easy to ridicule the below average intelligent posters in this forum.

 

the folks from Democrat voting states bring their diseases and infect us. It's the residents who get harmed

 

Really!

According to several replublicans posters, the media, and many studies, migrant workers/illegals had/have a higher Covid19 death rate than our citizens.

Agree or Disagree?

 

Yes, that's what I said. Those people died of other causes. COVID in and of itself does not kill.

I understand them. Do YOU?

Colin Powell died from cancer, not covid.

 

The correction should have been on my last paragraph. It should have stated "Florida's covid policy has been disastrous and Florida has also fudged the figures to make it look that they are not as bad as they actually are".

They have been hiding deaths

 

A heart attack doesn't actually kill you either if you want to play with that nonsense

 

Quote; Covid in an on itself does not kill

Really?

So, the claim that only 6% of those listed as Covid deaths actually died from the virus is false?

Note; Said 6% deaths were coded as U07.1, thus, just one ICD code, (Covid19), were listed on their death certificates.

 

Its like being eaten by a lion. Its really not the lion that kills you, its the loss of blood.

Why play word games?