How is it possible that Trump got elected?

Well we're just going to have to wait and see what is really in a final bill. Frankly, I am reminded of why I don't care for Washington Republicans, even though I think of myself as a pretty conservative person. If they really wanted to give a middle class tax cut, they could have just left tax law as it is with a just a couple of changes. For people who don't itemize, they could simply double the Standard Deduction, and for those who do itemize, they could double the Personal Exemptions. Leave everything else alone, and there's your middle class tax cut. Simple. Or, just leave everything as is, and lower the rates on people earning up to $150k, and there's your middle class tax cut. Easy, smeezy.

But no.

One thing I am not impressed with are the R's touting that you can do your taxes on a post card sized form under the new rules. The bottom line is what matters to me, not how simple they make it.

And I don't resent people who work hard and get rich. I don't even envy them, really. But I oppose the idea of lowering their taxes until such time as the federal government balances its budget and runs a surplus. When it does that, then I don't mind if tax cuts include the rich.

I really don't know if that will be in the final bill or not, and if it is, I don't know if it will raise premiums or not. Like anything else, the prices can't go higher than the market will bear. I know what you think should be done about health care, and you know what I think should be done. At least we agree that everyone should be covered one way or the other. One thing that frustrates me is that Obamacare covers 11.4 million people in a country of 330 million. I guess that's close to 1/30th of the population. Why is it that we - meaning all of us on both sides of the spectrum - are so twisted up over a program that covers 1/30th of the population? Why must it be so damn hard to get 1/30th of the population covered by health insurance? And why can't we do it in a way that doesn't jack premiums up for everyone else and which adds to the annual federal deficit? So frustrating.

I partially agree with you. An existing business is not necessarily going to hire more people or raise salaries because it gets a tax cut. Hiring employees is done to satisfy demand, and salaries are determined by multiple factors. But what I would like to see is more and more companies and producers choosing to do their business or production in the U.S. I don't want them moving to Mexico or wherever, and I would like to try to get foreign companies to do their production and business here. Some already do. I would like to do everything we possibly can to lure them to the U.S. And the higher the employment rate, then the higher is the demand for workers. And the higher the demand for workers, the higher the salaries go to get them.

I don't either.

 

Trump will get re-elected elected for the following reasons:
1. DJ over $24,000, a 6,000 point, a 25% increase since Trump was elected President.
2. GDP of 3.3% - the GDP never exceeded 2.9% in all 8 Obama years
3. Unemployment at 45 year low
4. Consumer confidence at its highest since the year 2,000
5. The runaway Democrat Bureaucracy is being reigned in.
6. Trade starting to favor American business and American Jobs
7. The DNC bum kissing media are being marginalized and recognized for the DNC shills that they are.
8. The NFL Kneeling has hurt the NFL, in part to Trump supporters watching the Democrats chasing their tails and screaming helplessly at the sky.
9. Along with the NFL kneeling is the frenzied foaming at the mouth Trumps tweets cause in the left wingers - it is so amusing.

I could go on and on and on - but the first four are really all that matters since their continuing growth will guarantee Trump will be re-elected.

No amount of deflection and spinning the facts will change the fact that Americans traditionally vote their wallets.

 

I think the more reasonable answer is that more then half the electorate was dropping acid at the time. No one in their right mind would vote for him otherwise.

 

Changing the facts to fit your version of the truth doesn't work very well - you're like Bagdad Bob saying "we are not being bombed" as we could see the ack ack and dropping bombs over his shoulder. Everything Trump says on Twitter is gaining him more adherents every day as people see him for the politically incorrect leader they have prayed for as their families and careers have languished for the past 8 years.

As for this Muslim crap - most of the people in the UK agree with Trump - the British dictatorship of the courts harshly prosecute any white, non-muslim of hate crimes every time they complain about the muslim interlopers - the Brits love Trump.

Take a look at Roy Moore - all of the mud and muck thrown at him have barely stuck - first from his primary fight and now against an Obama Democrat.
The left wingers continue to protest, like circus shills trying to sell us something we don't want or need.

To be honest, I have not had this much fun from the sidelines since Ronnie Reagan kicked Carters a$$ and became President - it was 8 years of this same name calling stupidity back then - without the internet to bring the truth to the masses.

 

The Democrats have created conditions (anti-white, anti-white-male, anti-Christian politics) that elected Trump. We have to pay for the new Jim Crow system (Affirmative Actions) that was established 50 years ago. The system that forces people to fight each other instead of electing their representatives.

 

True. However it doesn't explain how trump won the republican nomination. That gaffe, to put it mildly, will haunt conservatives for a long time.

 

Without a doubt. The proofs in the pudding: she lost to trump - possibly the second crappiest candidate for President in the History of the U.S.

 

Trump won the GOP nomination because he was the best candidate. Face it no one wants another Bush criminal with or without his Mexican fake wife

 

I don't understand the statement. First of all, who is "he?"

Also, I saw no response from you on the thread.

 

Obviously, I didn't.

I agree, but we part company on Presidents. I am an Eisenhower conservative. I think he ranks up there with our greatest Presidents. Whatever, happened to electing qualified people as our President? The last qualified candidate for the Presidency was Bush, Sr., and he got beat.

Oh, yes, small in number but quite vocal. I started a thread concerning Charlottesville and I condemned Trump for his remarks during his rant in Trump Tower. Boy did I get some hate-filled posts. There was very little doubt the Trump supporters were either neo-Nazis or KKK, or sympathetic to those hate groups.

 

I am weary of correcting your lies. It is hard to believe you are an adult. You just make things up as you go along. I am not going to waste any more of my time with you. What's the use? You will just continue to lie. It comes with being a Trump supporter. You learned it from him.

If the President can lie, why not you.

 

Seth, that is an appeal to Trump's base.

Clinton collapsed in the 50 least-educated counties. These results are every bit as striking: Clinton lost ground relative to Obama in 47 of the 50 counties — she did an average of 11 percentage points worse, in fact. These are really the places that won Donald Trump the presidency, especially given that a fair number of them are in swing states such as Ohio and North Carolina. He improved on Mitt Romney’s margin by more than 30 points (!) in Ashtabula County, Ohio.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

 

I agree. I don't know how that happened. It doesn't make sense.

The only possible explanation is that at the grass roots level right wing extremists have taken over the GOP. Judging by some of the replies from Trump supporters, there is some credence to that theory.

 

Do you honestly believe that after today?

 

He would be Flynn. 80% likely he will dump on Manifort. Yeah probably just got confused amidst the plethora of threads you launched that are so bleeding similar.

 

Trump is President because the majority of Americans in the right states voted for him.
Trump beat a field of 16 Republicans to become the nominee
Trump easily beat Hillary Clinton and all of the might the left wing media and money machines fielded in her support.

A year after the election and all that we continue to hear is the left wingers starting the day saying "We got the bastard" and ending the day saying "Maybe tomorrow".
They call Trump arrogant and stupid and senile and moronic and Trump shoves it up their stove pipe every time.

Will they ever learn?

 

Yes................ Furthermore in the GOP primaries the American system worked as designed and the peoples choice became the President.

PS. How are your stocks doing poor boy

 

Man, Ike fought the conservatives. Ike was no conservative. He was a liberal/moderate republican. You know what the said about SSI, when the cons in congress were wanting to destroy it, right?

SO, here you are insulting me, and you appear to have something wrong with your knowledge and cognition. I do not see an Ike kinda guy, I see a post modernist faux liberal who could not give a rat's arse about working people.

Of course, you should prove I am a liar, and that is impossible. So, it is just hot air, and a most deceitful hot air at that. To the point of being nefarious, and a bit dark. I think I am talking to a teenager. Well, it is hard for a 75 year old, with so much experience, to communicate with someone who lacks knowledge of reality. See, I can insult just as you can. That is easy what is more difficult is to keep the insults at bay and exercise some intelligence. But can people consumed with hate, do that? I think not. Or at least you seem incapable.

 

It amazes me how much the left rejects even basic science, quit embarrassing yourself

 

Here's the issue - you tell all of these humorous fairy tales based on hot air and when taken to task, rather than rebut with facts, you obfuscate and deflect.
If the fake news media can lie, why not you.

Henry Hill said it best "You're a funny guy!"

 

Sandy Shanks said: ↑
The election is Dec. 12. A trial to determine Moore's guilt or innocence is not possible.

Guess what, the election will be the trial with the people of Alabama determining whether Moore is innocent or not

 

As I said, they are small in number but quite vocal. I stated that my analysis showing they played a role in Trump's election campaign was based in part on research and the comments made by far right extremists on PF. Here are some examples.

"The Constitution is better than what liberals want but it doesn't represent the ideal form of government. It doesn't support far-right nationalism or if it does you have to take some amendments away."

"You act like the Constitution is some magical piece of paper. It was a document written by racist bigoted and sexist slave owners."

"However freedom of the press is a part of the Constitution that has been hijacked by Jewish interests."

I could go on, but you get my point.

 

Just FYI, I will not save money if the brackets in the House bill become law. I had calculated my taxes under the House bill under an incorrect assumption. I had thought the $24,000 Standard Deduction came off the top; that is, a deduction from my taxable income. Turns out, it does not. It comes off the bottom, meaning that my taxable income begins at $24,000 and above. This means that, instead of lowering the portion of my income in the 25% bracket, we will pay 25% from $90,000 on up to our gross income amount. This results in a tax increase of $520.

I found the tax brackets in the Senate version and applied those. This resulted in a tax reduction of $2587. This is largely because the Senate version treats the Standard Deduction of $24,000 as a deduction from your total taxable income, meaning that "it comes off the top", reducing the amount of income taxed at the highest rate.

This is quite a difference between the two bills.

I used these two links as sources:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/02/pf/taxes/senate-tax-bill-passed/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/02/here-are-the-new-tax-brackets-in-the-gop-plan.html

Quoting the latter link on the House bill: "The 12 percent bracket: This rate applies to single filers starting at $12,000 up to $45,000. For married joint filers, this applies after the $24,000 deduction up to $90,000."

So, under the House bill your first $24,000 (married) is untaxed, and taxation begins at $24,001 and on up. But that means that there is $24,000 more of your income taxed at the highest rate your income takes you into.

If you look at the Senate bill, married filers pay 10% on their first $19,050 and 12% from there up to to $77,400. This would not be possible if the Standard Deduction of $24,000 applied to the first $24,000 of income. So the Senate version must be allowing that $24,000 deduction to "come off the top" of your gross income, otherwise there would be no way that 10% could even apply.

Feel free to check my facts and do your own research. Let me know if I'm right or wrong, and I'd be interested to know how these two versions of the tax bill would affect your taxes.

Seth

 

I don't get your point!

You cherry pick and quote a few sentences made by posters on this forum and then you generalize those posts to make it appear that they are representative of whatever political group you assign them to. Also, statement #2 "You act like the Constitution is some magical piece of paper. It was a document written by racist bigoted and sexist slave owners." could not have been written by a right winger.

There are certain posters on this forum that have a bad habit of making unsupported statements against Trump and Trump supporters. I could copy and paste some of their more ridiculous statements - but it would be counterproductive since I am out to change the political direction of some souls onto the righteous path. That can't be done with lies and deflection - or quotes used to pigeonhole groups of people.

 

Would someone please clarify for me - I am a proud Nationalist; I believe that our unique form of government is the best there is; I believe that the American Hybrid Culture is exceptional and superior to all others -I believe that our melting pot form of assimilation while adopting some of the better a sub-culture has to offer is superior to all others - especially when I see the balkanization of so many "multi-cultural areas; I believe that our traditional American, family and religious values are superior to all others.

I believe that our hybrid system does not allow any of us to become immutable in our ways. I believe that stereotypes, both good and bad are truisms to be shared and laughed at - Where else but America could you find a joke that starts "Did you hear about the (Rabbi, Priest and Immam) or (Italian, Jew and Pollock) or ( Asian, Black and White men) etc, etc.

I don't care if a person is black or white or yellow or Christian or Jew or Muslim or any other race or religion or ethnicity - if you have come to my country legally and you want to become a true American, then I welcome you and embrace you. If you want to continue to wave your native flag and speak your native tongue and not want to assimilate, then screw - you aren't wanted here.