How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

How have they had a chance to become a living person if they haven't been born?

 

Until you define what a human being is, all other observations are simply opinions or arbitrary. As far as I know, the definition of what constitutes a human being has not been universally accepted by both philosophy, religion or science. Since we have no clarity on the subject, the law makes an arbitrary decision pending further clarification by experts. I know most of us think the issue is easy to answer but it is not easy at all. If you say a human being is based upon the DNA structure of a human cell, that amputated limb is a human being. If you say it is based upon consciousness, out goes people in coma's or with terminal brain conditions. If you say it is viability, what do you do when science allows for a human being to be completely gestated outside of the womb? No answer is complete.

 

I think I agree but, you are confusing...please clarify.

 

Uh, look up the word "chance".

 

Many are born or almost since the head is partially out when some killer kills it at full term. Abortion is a what a lib considers a nice word for massacre of millions of babies inside their mothers bodies. I still can't figure out how it magically becomes a baby if somebody else kills it though by causing the mother to lose the baby. Make up your mind is it a baby or not, of course I know the answer.

 

Many? How many? where are the stats?

Late term abortions are only done if the life/health of woman and/or fetus is in danger....do facts scare you?

Abortion means abortion and has nothing to do with babies.

It doesn't...that's why you can't figure it out..

There are names for stages in life, old age, middle age adulthood, teenager, toddler, baby, fetus, embryo....don't let correct names confuse you.

A fetus is no more a "baby" than it is a teenager.

Humans are called babies when BORN.

 

If it is not a baby then why is it murder if someone else causes you to lose it? I don't know anyone it has happened to but I have read about it.
I almost had an abortion back in 1970 but couldn't do it. And my life was in danger if I carried it to full term. Where I had the other C-sections was weakening. No such thing as bikini cuts back then it was major surgery.
I just wish the young women had more help and would be more careful who they gave themselves to. Bless their hearts they are deceived by the society they live in.

 

It is a fetus until it is born...only then is it baby.

The term used for it has nothing to do with the UVVA (Unborn Victims of Violence Act) which addresses the killing of a fetus.

The killing of a fetus ( by anyone) does NOT change a fetus into a baby..only BIRTH can do that.

They aren't deceived any more than anyone else.

Thank goodness they now have a CHOICE in whether to gestate and give birth or not.....that is an advancement...

 

Can you rephrase?

 

Now and then you read where someone murders a pregnant woman and is charged with double murder for her and her 'UNBORN CHILD' so its a child unless the mother aborts it.
If it is only a piece of flesh and not human how can you be charged with murder?
Yet a mother can give dr permission to kill it at 9 months full term and it is not a child at full term.

 

Where is that legal?

 

No, a fetus is not a "child" anymore than it's a " teenager" or "adult". No one can make a fetus a child.

WHO said it isn't human ?

Some states may charge it as murder under the UVVA but it may only be manslaughter. Regardless, a fetus is NOT a child nor a "person".
It's called the Unborn VICTIMS of Violence Act NOT the Killing a Person Inside a Woman Act.

A woman could tell a doctor to abort a 9 months fetus but that is against the law unless it's to save her life.


You didn't read post 1459 ? Why not?

 

You're assuming that all pro-choice people agree with a murder charge on an unborn child. This subject came up earlier in the thread. I know at least one pro-choice participant in this thread that doesn't agree with it. And I know one pro-choice person who agrees with it and really struggled to explain the conflicting position when I called them on it. That would be the one who just replied to you!

 

WHERE is elective abortion at 9 months LEGAL?????

 

So? You have to be able to explain why fetuses have equal victim status to born persons.

 

Not true, watch video of Clinton and Trump on next post down. Nothing about mother in danger, just her right to kill the child.

 

No, I don't because they don't.


NO law can give, or has given, the fetus rights as a born person.

 

Well my 9 month old suckled on my breast a couple hours after it was born.and it was a child.

 

Weren't you saying that it happens currently?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, a fetus is not a "child" anymore than it's a " teenager" or "adult". No one can make a fetus a child.

WHO said it isn't human ?
Some states may charge it as murder under the UVVA but it may only be manslaughter. Regardless, a fetus is NOT a child nor a "person".
It's called the Unborn VICTIMS of Violence Act NOT the Killing a Person Inside a Woman Act.

A woman could tell a doctor to abort a 9 months fetus but that is against the law unless it's to save her life.


You didn't read post 1459 ? Why not?



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WHY did you quote my post when you couldn't address what was written in it???

 

Then why can people be charged for murder and manslaughter if their actions lead to the death of a fetus?

 

WHY did you quote my post when you couldn't address what was written in it???[/QUOTE]

Because post 1459 is not true. I just showed you them arguing over it on national news,what else do you want?

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
No, a fetus is not a "child" anymore than it's a " teenager" or "adult". No one can make a fetus a child.







WHO said it isn't human ?

Some states may charge it as murder under the UVVA but it may only be manslaughter. Regardless, a fetus is NOT a child nor a "person".
It's called the Unborn VICTIMS of Violence Act NOT the Killing a Person Inside a Woman Act.


A woman could tell a doctor to abort a 9 months fetus but that is against the law unless it's to save her life.


You didn't read post 1459 ? Why not?

UH DUHHHHHH, ya it was BORN then...do you know the difference between BORN and UNBORN....


WHY can't you answer the questions n the post of mine you keep quoting????
Sure makes it look like you can't face facts???

 

Consult the UVVA and how each state interprets it.

AGAIN, NO law can deem the fetus a legal person with rights and the UVVA does NOT.


Why don't you read the UVVA and show where it says, "the fetus is now a legal person with rights"....you seem to think it says that so I guess it won't be hard for you to find...


BTW, I think I had this conversation with you before....