ISIS has come to implement Islam, by the book,

The problem is that your response was nonsensical gibberish - consisting of accusing me of claims that I did not make.

If you think we should be letting in Islamist's - people who have no respect for essential liberty or the principles on which this nation was founded - people who want to force their sick and twisted religious beliefs on others through physical violence - you are welcome to your belief.

I just do not share it.

Question? - do you know what an Islamist is ?

 

You are talking nonsense. What is the divine will.
You need to establish that first.

are you going to answer that.

You made the claim.


Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people
until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah

 

All religions start out political. It was a way to control the conduct of the masses before we had governments and law enforcement. Only when they become more secular, do they become benign. Nearly all threatened their followers with capital punshment while declaring some sort of a heaven to get people to accept their religions failings.

 

Let me give you an opinion.

Islam is a relatively new problem for the western world, so we really didn't know how to deal with it.
We still have to deal with a religion, without offending supposed friends of the same religion.
We can't voice the religion with stepping on toes.

So we continue to make excuses, and invent words to detract from the real problem.
The religion of Islam.

We have moderates and extremists, ( No Pacifists, hmmm, wonder why)

Now we have Islamists, people who follow the religion closely, only they will not say that.

Islam is Islam there is no moderate islam, no extremist Islam.

There is just Islam.

 

“ the point us, we should not be accepting Islamists into this nation “ (your words.)
Trump couldn’t do it. So he had to just Declare immigrants from some countries could not come in. You’re uninformed.
Islam is a religion. It’s not a race. It’s impossible to decide what a person’s religion is unless they volunteer. Muslims coming in to do us harm can say they are Catholic. ( or what ever)
All your hate talk is doing is converting more people to extremeism on both sides. Chill out.

 

Islam is a problem in the western world because WE MADE It with our insatiable appetite for oil.

 

This is where you continue to fail - and to harm the effort that you claim to support. In this case - the question is immigration. On what basis can we legitimately reject someone ?

You claim that this rejection is justified on the basis of someone being a Muslim - offering no further justification for this other than some vague insinuation that all Muslims are Evil - with no qualification on what this evil is.

Do feel free to improve on your justification. So far - in all our conversations - what you have done is conflate the evil acts of some Muslims to all Muslims = logical fallacy on steroids.

My basis for rejecting someone is quite different. My basis for rejection is lack of belief in the principles on which this nation was founded .. and you know how the rest of that argument goes. My basis for rejection is "NOT" a religious test. It is a test of moral integrity.

 

Wow.....you must be a mind reader.

 

NO, the question was
Question? - do you know what an Islamist is ?

This is one of the points where you continue to fail​

 

You are the one that is uninformed. Never have I stated that the basis for rejection into this nation is that someone is a Muslim - an adherent of Islam.

You are the one who is uninformed with respect to Trump. Trump's ban was on the basis of someone being a Muslim. I have not supported this position .. so quit attributing falsehoods to me.

You are the one who is uniformed - because you do not know what an Islamist is. Not all Muslims are "Islamist's" Not all Muslims accept sharia Law.

Then after painting me with all kinds of hateful claims that I have not inferred, made, nor belief in - you accuse me of "Hate Talk" .. after making all kinds of uninformed claims - you accuse me of being uninformed.

 

Do you have anything other than fallacious gibberish, nonsense comments, and "Strawman" accusing posters of claims they did not make ?

 

Who are you talking too

 

The context in which the question was asked - was in relation to immigration. Once again you try to avoid your obviously bad argument by avoiding the context of the conversation.

I have not failed .. It is your arguments that fail. The claim that an Islamist is a person who favors sharia law - is a statement of fact.

It is you that wants to attribute this characteristic to all Muslims - a claim which is a demonstrable falsehood.

 

No, you go off on tangents, accuse someone of BS without even naming who you are going off on.
I see nothing in your posts that is directed to me, except the last one, where I just offered an opinion on the deffinition on Islamists.

 

Youre making claims and insinuations that can’t be backed up. There is no Middle East race. Trump did not ban MUSLIMS...HE CANT and neither can you.
*Donald Trump has banned immigration from seven predominantly muslim countries in the middle east and Africa. ........ban on travelers from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.*

You’re notion that you can ban people base on ideology requires mind reading. Get a grip. Muslims don’t have tattoos on their arms. They are white, brown and black and even oriental.

 

It is you who went off on a tangent - wandered down a silly rabbit hole while ignoring the context of the conversation.

Your opinion - essentially claiming that all Muslims are Islamists - is demonstrably false.

 

LOLOL


You weren't talking to me, I was not in the conversation.
I just offered an opinion of what an Islamist is.

and I don't care what your conversation was about.

You go on tangents, you make sh-t up.
And blame someone else.


and no, I am claiming all Islam is Islamict.

Most muslims know little about the religion.

 

I did not make any claims with respect to a Middle East Race - now get a grip and quit accusing me of things I did not say, or insinuate.

Trump tried to ban people from Muslim nations. I have never tried to do this nor voiced support for this policy.

Now get a valid argument and quit accusing me of things neither said nor believe.

While you trying to say something coherent - and hopefully that effort is successful - perhaps you might want to note that I am also getting flack from the other side - also mostly on the basis of fallacious nonsense or strawman attacks.

What does this tell you ?

 

What does it tell me.
I would violate the rules if I told you.

I haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.

 

Is abundantly clear that you have not the slightest idea about the meaning founding principles. No need to remind me.

 

That's easy. Just stop driving and peace will come, plus global warming will slow way down. Plus people will get healthy.

 

Islam is an Arabic word which means "surrender, submission, commitment and peace." Thus, Islam can be defined as a path to attain complete peace through voluntary submission to the divine will.
https://uri.org/kids/world-religions/muslim-beliefs

It is the same god as judaism and christianity.

How did Islam begin?
Islam is a monotheistic faith centered around belief in the one God (Allah). In this regard, it shares some beliefs with Judaism and Christianity by tracing its history back to the patriarch Abraham, and ultimately to the first prophet, Adam.

As for the rest of your rant. You as usual, just make stuff up.

 

Or we could stop exporting our oil.
We could move away from oil products quicker.
And yes, people will get healthier.

 

You’re really struggling with the differences between race, regions and religion. Before you claim to be an expert on religions, realize one thing, it’s not a race and it’s unconstitutional and literally impossible to differentiate people by them in order to segregate them. It’s fear mongering to try.

Trump the fool tried to call the Middle East a race. If you go there, your be perpetually wrong. Next, he’ll want Democrat’s and republicans races.

 

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