ISIS has come to implement Islam, by the book,

You are talking nonsense again
Answer the question. What is the divine will.
You need to establish that first.

And why make a post "How did Islam begin, and not say a thing about it.

I can explain how it began, but the quick version will take pages.

 

Or, we develope more alternatives which the gop is agaisnt.

 

I I never even mentioned the difference between race, regions and religion. Nor did I claim to be an expert on religions .. nor did I claim to differentiate on the basis of race.

I have told you a number of times now that I did not support Trumps ban - yet you keep trying to infer that I did.

Why are you making up this nonsense - and attributing it to me ? What is your problem ?

 

You clearly know little of the subject and really shouldn't be participating on this thread.

 

Why are you making posts and not addressing with whom you are speaking .
It seems you are just asking for it.

 

You want to keep immigrants from coming into this country based upon religion. That’s where it started.
Your words...you keep running away from it, then coming back.

This is what you said.
“Once someone is a citizen - they are a citizen - and can not be shipped anywhere. The point is that we should not be letting "Islamists" into this nation. “

 

I am addressing the poster "Dagosa" - to which my post is responding. Duh Duh Duh..

 

I don't want to keep immigrants coming into this country on the basis of a religious test. I don't care what religious someone is - or if they are atheist.

The test is the same. If ones religious beliefs happen to conflict with this test - too bad. The test has nothing to do with someone claiming to be a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist, or a Jew. The test nothing to do with what country someone is from or what their race is.

The test is not a religious test. The test is a moral test.

Claiming - Well some can't pass that test because of religious belief - does not make it a "religious test". The idea that if someone claims that they believe in infanticide - that we should not bar them from immigration to this country because this happens to be their religious belief - is abject nonsense.

 

Then how can you make the statement * we should not let islamists into our country. *
Then, state it’s a moral test not a religious test ?
How does one conduct a moral test ? It’s less relevant then a religious test. You actually think people will answer questions that will jeopardize their entry ? It’s really naive. It’s as unknowing as any Trump ideas.

 

"But, but, the Catholics!"

 

There are numerous ways to conduct the test but that is a different issue. The reason we should not let "Islamists" into the country is because they fail the test ... the same as any other person who fails the test.

I have consistently stated that it is "NOT" a religious test. Go back and read all of my posts. I make efforts to clarify this numerous times. Then there is the fact that any reasonable person with a wit of sense - can see it is not a religious test - a test based on a specific religion.

Once again "Do You Know what an Islamist" is ? as opposed to a Muslim - do you know the difference ?

If you don't friggen know the difference - then what the heck are you doing complaining and making up all kinds of nonsense ?

 

No it isn’t. Show us. This is the most important aspect of any so called test. How one is conducted means everything.
I maintain that it’s a rediculous idea, as no test can be morality test ( or religious test) on immigrants can possibly be functionally accurate or even constitutional. So prove it. Tells us how.

 

Get real. You’re playing word games that functionally mean nothing. If a Muslim is a follower or Islam, and you’re trying to tell us that islamist are you xtreme fundamentalists, then the obvious question is, how the frig can you tell when confronting an immigrant.

You can’t even tell us a bogus way of determining who is a Muslim, Now you’re trying to tell us you can give a morality test to tell us how to determine an Islamist l

Well tell us. Because without knowing, youre fear mongering....maybe you can just build a Muslim wall for extremists.....cute

 

Come on, let’s hear the test !!

 

One must swear to uphold the constitution and the founding principles - this would include numerous questions affirming this belief. "do you believe in separation of Church and State" "Do you renounce theocracy and sharia law" "do you believe that no law should be made on the basis of religious belief" ... and so on .

This is as much about education than anything.

 

You are the one playing word games. I give specific definitions. The Islamist hates essential liberty = they believe in Sharia law - that forcing ones religious beliefs on others is justified.

Since I am not trying to determine if one is an Islamist - your question is silly. I am trying to determine if someone understands the difference between 1) having a belief - be it personal or religious and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence.

This as much about education - not just immigrants but the US public in general.

 

That’s the funniest thing I ever heard. Do you really think that an Islamic Muslim terrorist who wanted enter in our country, wouldn’t prepare to answer such easy questions ? Are you counting on a terrorist being honestl ? Your own president can’t abswer questions truthfully. That’s absolutely hilarious.....

 

Funny as s.h.i,t.
Save time.....if you think they are honest, just ask them if they are a terrorist. Ha ha.

 

How about if they are a French citizen ? Are you going to assume they can’t be an extremist ? Do you ask everyone who enters if they are a Muslim ? Or, just ones with turbans. I can’t stop laughing at this feeble answer. How about Janet Jackson ?

 

If someone lies - they lie. That does not stop us from asking the questions. Further - one can construct the test to be more subtle than the questions given. You asked for an example - and I gave you one. Now you are complaining because someone could lie.

That your president can not answer these questions "correctly" is a problem. That your President has no problem answering the questions truthfully is huge problem. One of the purposes of this exercise is "Education"

One does not have to be an Islamist to be against the founding principles - to be against essential liberty. Take yourself for example. You can not answer the questions correctly either.

 

Doesn't matter - I have said this numerous times to you. Is your reading comprehension that weak or are you just being deliberately obtuse ?

Everyone who wants to immigrate should be asked questions related to understanding of and be expected to affirm the founding principles.

 

You really think that extremists are dumb enough to answer questions that will get them deported ?

 

How about if they know the answers, but lie to get in....do you have some magic mind reading capabilities ? Too funny.
Your president lies about everything but you’re counting in your enemy to tell the truth....0h

 

You’re delirious. It’s a waste if time except to ask questions that can be verified. Ask any border agent or Airline security. . And you’re going to ask if they believe in sharia law. Please, tell me you aren’t serious and this is a joke.

 

I have never claimed anything of the sort - in fact - I have told you directly that it is possible that they lie. Since you have no argument - you have to make up falsehoods - got it