To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

You can't be certain of that Sandy as you have no actual knowledge about what "pleases Putin".

 

Democrats & dedicated professional government workers already have. Open you eyes & your mind to the evidence, & start caring more about preserving our Constitution than preserving Trump's tenure.

 

It is safe to assume that anything that weakens the U.S., to include a chaotic central government that is tearing itself apart on the impeachment issue, pleases Putin just as we would be pleased if the same thing was happening in Russia.

I do not wish to derail my own thread. I have compiled my reasons for feeling the way I do on this thread:

http://politicalforum.com/index.php...is-trump-acting-like-a-russian-puppet.562796/

Please respond there if you have any comments.

 

You condemn a man based on your "assumptions"??!!WTF.

That's rich. Especially coming from someone who should know better.

 

You have not been listing. Trump did not mention corruption in his April 21 call to Zelensky nor his July 25 call. He wanted the 2016 election investigated and the Bidens investigated. That is all he wanted investigated according to the transcript of the July 25 call which I have provided, and his chief of staff confirmed that the military aid was withheld over these issues. I provided that as well.

Congress, the Pentagon, and the executive branch confirmed that Ukraine had made significant progress on corruption within its government and consequently all three approved 400 million in military aid.

In short, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

Hey.. uh... its been a couple days since you spammed the same post over 3-4 topics.
What happened?

 

I was quite clear in what I said

Requesting a signature country to abide by a mutual cooperation treaty to investigate probable cause of corruption between our two counties is not a violation of federal law and in fact a duty of a President.

Do you agree?

Are you saying it is not OK for a President to request the BY TREATY mutual cooperation into an investigation into possible corruption between our two countries?

Congress, the Pentagon, and the executive branch confirmed that Ukraine had made significant progress on corruption within its government and consequently all three approved 400 million in military aid.

In short, you have no idea what you are talking about.[/QUOTE]

Good and let's make substantial progress on the needed investigations

 

Like a bogus impeachment process.

 

It would appear that Trump's fans are incapable of thinking beyond 2020.

Throughout his entire President, a majority of Americans have disapproved of Trump's performance. Trump is the least popular President in modern American history. The GOP has lost several key elections in 2018 and 2019 and they lost control of the House because of Trump.

In other words, in all likelihood Trump will lose in 2020.

Trump's fans ignore all the evidence -- they avoid it, actually -- and insist that Trump is innocent. They are totally unaware of the consequences of that judgment.

Most likely in 2021 a Democrat will become President. If not in 2021, then 2025, or at some point a Democrat will be in the Oval Office.

If Trump is declared innocent of asking a foreign government to intervene in our election on his behalf, if Trump is declared innocent of using bribery as an incentive, if Trump is declared innocent of obstructing justice when he clearly defied Congress, then Democratic Presidents will be allowed to continue the practice.

That possibility exists as early as Jan. 20, 2021. Do Trump's fans really want to grant that kind of power to Democratic Presidents?

 

Of course not.
With the way the Democrats have behaved since Hillary's crushing defeat, no only is there a very good chance Trump will win in 2020, there's a very good chance Pence will win 2024/2028.

 

entirely correct.
But that's a problem for another day.

I would assume since you brought it up that the current use of the impeachment process to damage a Republican president makes it very likely that the same process will be used against the next Democratic president?

 

So was I, but you deleted that part of my sentence.

I did not assume any condemnation.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

 

No worse than your incompetence in writing. Advocating the impeachment of president Trump is in fact condemning his presidency.

 

IMPEACH 45! Stop pussyfooting around and just do it.
Americans voters will reward politicians for nullifying elections - count on it.

 

I watched the Judiciary Committee hearing today, and it was quite interesting. The Democrats concentrated on the evidence and what Trump did and said.

The Republicans on the committee were caught between a rock and hard spot. They are dealing with a President who, by his own words and those of his chief of staff, is guilty of a number of impeachable offenses. Consequently, they avoided the evidence and what Trump did and said, concentrating on the process, whistleblower, whistleblower's complaint which has been superseded by a mountain of evidence and testimony, Hunter and Joe Biden, the Mueller Report, the economy, job growth, and constant references to an election that took place three years ago.

It should be significant to Trump's fans that the Republicans were unable to deal with the evidence, and were helpless when it came to what Trump said and did.

 

So questions about process and the motives of the accusers are not relevant in trials? You haven't been in court much have you? Also why do you take a statement by his chief of staff to be the plain truth?

 

Or American voters will punish a political party that defends a President guilty of impeachable offenses. That appears to be true.

Throughout his entire President, a majority of Americans have disapproved of Trump's performance. Trump is the least popular President in modern American history. The GOP has lost several key elections in 2018 and 2019 and they lost control of the House because of Trump.

Meaningless rhetoric can't counter fact.

 

Sure, that's relevant. It is almost as important as evidence and testimony.

 

Then why do ********* about it so much?

 

Removing an elected President less than a year before an election is an anti-democratic and so anti-American effort to nullify the 2016 election and rig the 2020 election.

Everyone involved should have been brought before grand juries long ago, and many of them should already be serving long prison sentences for clear violations of the Espionage Act.

“Reporters should always be nervous when intelligence sources sell them stories. Spooks don't normally need the press. Their usual audiences are other agency heads, and the executive. They can bring about action just by convincing other people within the government to take it.

In the extant case, whether the investigation involved a potential Logan Act violation, or election fraud, or whatever, the CIA, FBI, and NSA had the ability to act both before and after Donald Trump was elected. But they didn't, and we know why, because James Clapper just told us – they didn't have evidence to go on.

Thus we are now witnessing the extremely unusual development of intelligence sources that normally wouldn't tell a reporter the time of day litigating a matter of supreme importance in the media. What does this mean?”
ROLLING STONE, Why the Russia Story Is a Minefield for Democrats and the Media, By Matt Taibbi, 3/8/17.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...minefield-for-democrats-and-the-media-w471074

 

The White House hid the call to protect Trump. The House was made aware of the whistleblower complaint on Sept. 9. That's when the House began its investigation. Actually, things have been moving along rather quickly.

What Trump did was "anti-democratic." Asking for foreign interference in our elections for personal benefit and using bribery on a foreign leader is unconscionable.

 

How so?

 

Presidents are supposed to investigate and punish official corruption. Surely you know that - most Americans do. Trump did the right thing. The Bidens should have been prosecuted long ago.

 

At least investigated but then the system protects it's own and previous wrongdoing by congress critters has been hidden from public by the system.

 

LOL, we don need no stinkin evidence! You apparently did not listen to the testimony about 'hiding the call'. In fact Trump release the call with a foreign leader to the public, the only one that has ever done that.