Trump: We have Serious Economic Concerns

Again, did you skip 6th grade civics? Do you not know how a bill becomes law?

No. Republicans controlled congress and the white house for 2 years under trump and exploded the deficit and debt. It’s what republicans do.

 

How?

 

By removing us from any country we currently occupy, the bases we maintain and the equipment that is there.

 

So Trump isn't giving federal workers a huge raise.....so what?

 

Wrong.

 

Please list the countries the U.S. occupies. You can't count allies such as Germany, United Kingdom or Japan as we have treaties with them for the use of various bases. And the U.S. Constitution (which you claim to worship) clearly allows for the U.S. federal government to make treaties with other nations.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments

Of course I can count them.

but not have a standing army or occupy other countries without a declaration of war. Sorry.

 

stationing troops in a country with their permission is not "occupying" them and you well know it. by any possible definition.

And despite the fact that you've linked to that list before, NOT ONE of those countries fits the definition of being "occupied" by the United States.

By the way, that list includes Cuba. And the U.S. rents Guantanamo Bay from the Cuban government for $4,000 a year.

 

How? Now you're just being dishonest. Too bad you can't simply admit that your entire group of claims about it being possible to cut the U.S. defense budget by half is complete bullshit.

And the U.S. Constitution does authorize a standing army and navy.

 

We're not going to get a balanced budget for years. What we need are budgets that grow the government slower than the economy and tax revenues. Trump has at least had his cabinet heads come up with 5% budget cuts in their departments but Congress is having nothing to do with and especially with a Democrat House.

 

Of course it is.

Every one of them does.

And we should leave. We are there unconstitutionally.

 

I just showed you otherwise.

no it doesn’t.

 

Hmmm, So the House has changed party hands and leadership over those 4 years. There is no consistent pattern there . Some were republican controlled. Some were under Democratic control. But the President was the same guy all four years. Mitch McConnell was the majority leader all four years and all the senate committee chairmen were republicans. . What was the pattern again in budget deficits you have discovered throughout all those four years including the fiscal budget for 2020?

 

You've shown no actual numbers to support your case at all. And a simple Wikipedia search will show that a standing army and navy are authorized by the U.S. constitution. Do I have to link to that?

 

You've reminded me of the comment by Elbridge Gerry (who invented the gerrymander). When discussing whether the new nation should have a standing army, Gerry opined:

"A standing army is like a standing member. It's an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure."

 

Cutting the defense budget would reduce combat effectiveness by more than one half because it costs more per military personnel/piece of equipment to support a small number of personnel/pieces of equipment than a large number of personnel/pieces of equipment. Our military would become ineffective as a fighting force. That is inviting disaster.

 

Our combat efficiency if at one-half is still five times more than the rest of the world.

 

That is simply not true. We are in rough equal to China and Russia.

 

No, I'm always correct.

 

kriman, you are wrong.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/broo...fense-expenditures-relative-to-other-nations/

 

We have more troops in GITMO than prisoners.

 

Expenditures only mean something if the countries pay the same for their equipment and pay their personnel the same. If we bought Chinese equipment and payed our people the same as the Chinese, then we would be vastly superior with our military budget. In general we are superior in aircraft and high tech equipment. The Chinese completely out classes us in ground equipment such as artillery and number of personnel. Russia outdoes us in personnel when you include the reserves. Since the Chinese or the Russians are more apt to be the aggressor, they can pick their battlefield which also tends reduce our capability.

Compare us to China and to Russia. You might also want to check North Korea and Iran. They are surprisingly capable.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-comparison.asp

 

The U.S. base at Guantanamo does not constitute an "occupation" force. We have an agreement with the Cubans to rent the area of the base for $4,000 in gold per year.

 

Reducing the wage increase from 2.5% to 1% - is a reduction in the increase - but is still technically an increase in spending.

Trump has had huge deficit increases - far more than warranted in good economic conditions.

I think many Gov't workers are overpaid - and in tough economic times you have to tighten the belt - so then what is Trump doing putting us into Trillion dollar annual deficit land - if we are in belt tightening mode ?

 

Jumping in here - Syria would fit the definition - .. possibly Yemen.

Since we installed the leadership in Iran - you can't really call that a proper invite - that would be a form of occupation. That invite has been under considerable pressure of late - and may end soon.

While we were invited into Afghanistan - it was also by leadership we quazi installed .. so that is a form of occupation.