US Army Muslim Gets 25 years for Giving Classified Documents & Drone to Islamic State

You're sitting here foaming at the teeth, looking at hundreds of comments I make,
Just hoping you can find something I say wrong.

And what do you come up with.
An Arabic word that I misused, and it turned out I was right anyways.

compare Islam and Christian terror,
and whine when I post the Muslim terror.

I asked you direct questions, lots of them,
And you slithered away.

Do you live on places like Stormfront, so you can spew your Jew Hatred there.
After all, Islam and Nazism are almost identical.

Hitler and Muhammed led similar lives.
The only main difference is Hitler was not a sexual pervert.

 

Pardon me????

What are you talking about? I never at any point since 1954 heard in any church of the LDS I attended such nonsense you claim we do.

Perhaps in your mind you quote sunday school. We have the same sunday school globally. It does not matter the ward. I do not know what you are talking about on supposedly we condemn.

Cite it or drop the claim.

Here is what we teach about other religions.

https://www.lds.org/study/ensign/1977/10/respect-for-other-peoples-beliefs?lang=eng

 

If you all notice, you can never get Democrats to call Muhammad a pervert. But they say this about Joseph Smith and they lied about him.

 

And you want to compare Christian and Muslim terror.
These so-called Christians are usually nutcases, and always condemned by the church. Every time.

In Islamic terror, they are praised by the church, and in many cases families are rewarded.


And, You're just jealous because Muslims are against abortion,
But they are allowed to kill their children, and their children's, children, after they are born

 

JSJr was a sexual addicti, and thus he became the fount and founder of LDS polyandry.

 

Mushroom continues to sweep the opposition before him like a terrier chasing rats.

 

Wrong. Matter of fact, he died married to the only wife he had.

 

He married many women, Robert, proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

If you are LDS, you should move to Community of Christ if you believe JSJr was a monogamist.

 

No, you are wrong. I don't have to move. Smith's own wife refuted this some years after he was killed.

 

The entire LDS church history and leaders say you are wrong. The first non-polygamous Church president was George Albert Smith in 1945.

1. Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo - The Church of Jesus ...
   www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland...
   A spiritual witness of its truthfulness allowed Joseph Smith and other Latter-day Saints to accept this principle. Difficult as it was, the introduction of plural marriage in Nauvoo did indeed “raise up seed” unto God. A substantial number of today’s members descend through faithful Latter-day Saintswho practiced plural marriage.
   
   Plural Marriage and Families in Early Utah
   
   The Manifesto and the End of Plural Marriage - ...
   
   Plural Marriage in The Church of Jesus Christ of...
   
   
2. Mormon Church Publishes Essay On Founder Joseph Smith's Polygamy
   www.npr.org/2014/11/13/363814184/mormon-church...
   Mormon Church Publishes Essay On Founder Joseph Smith's Polygamy The Mormon church's founder was married ... Essay On Founder Joseph Smith's Polygamy. Listen ... one controversial topic.
   

 

Good point.

 

And something he fails to mention, is that every one of these abortion clinic bombings is condemned by the church.

In Islam they are praised by the church, and in many cases families are compensated with cash.

 

Then don't travel to Islamic countries.

We in America have freedom of religion, and that will never change.

 

What, do you mean that the mainstream LDS church does not condemn the FLDS and other movements?

That is funny, because your experience is the exact opposite of mine. Please tell me, which LDS church is it that you attend that does not condemn the FLDS movement? I want to know so I can avoid it in the future.

 

I don't know your position on abortion, and I don't care, Islam is against abortion.

But as I said, they are fine with killing their kids after they are born.

and since you are unaware of what I am talking about,
It is not addressed in the Qur'an or Sunnah, but it is pointed out in sharia law.
So a Muslim probably isn't allowed to have his own opinion on the mater.
However the stipulations change with the different countries, and schools.
ie. how many months, or medical reasons, etc.

 

I will point out though, and if you are a Muslim you already know this.

One time after a raid they had a bunch of women captives for the slave market.

Muhammeds men wanted to bang them though.

So they asked Muhammed if they could screw them, and they would use Coitus interruptus,
So they wouldn't get pregnant.

Muhammed told them not too however, saying if they got pregnant it was Allah's will.

 

Tell Robert to JUST F'N stop it. Yes, the LDS harshly condemn the FLDS. Yes, JSJr. was a polygamist. What church does Robert think he is attending?

 

yasureoktoo is wobbly on abortion and does not have a clue about Islam.

 

They lied? He was not a believer in pleural marriage?

And before you get all high and mighty, I recognize that the Revelations have changed, and that is no longer the case. And no, in that period of time he was hardly alone on believing in polygamy. Even H.G. Wells was a big believer in it. However, I did not bring up LDS itself, but it's own relationship with other splinter sects, like the FLDS.

But I am not sure what "lies" you are going on about, since the official Church Historian from 1886 until 1900 states that the official church records have him recorded as having at least 28 wives.

And most religions have things in their background that many wish others would forget. Like the entire "Asherah" female goddess as the consort of Yahweh in the pre-exile Jews comes immediately to mind here. Or the increasing amounts of archaeology that point to in pre-Islamic mythology Allah was one of a pantheon of deities.

Then there was that entire sequence when Catholics liked to send pagans to their death an arenas, and then a millennia later hold bonfires with Jews as kindling.

While not Mormon myself, I have family that is and spent many years going to a Mormon Church. I have spent a great deal of time over the decades defending the faith, but that also does not make me blind to issues it has had in the past.

But I am still perplexed by your reaction when I specifically brought up the FLDS. I honestly can not think of anybody in the mainstream LDS church that has anything but condemnation for Warren Jeffs, and all of the other offshoot polygamist orders that claim themselves to be the "True LDS" church. Even many of the sects that accept polygamy condemn Jeffs, since he performed marriages for girls as young as 14 to men who were 50.

And his own wife may have refuted the fact he was a polygamist, but even the earliest church historians from the 19th century admit it was real, and had the advantage of not only records that are now only referenced and o longer actually exist, but actual interviews with people who were alive and knew Joseph and others involved.

And no, the later remarks by Emma Smith do not matter that much. Especially since after her issues with Young she and Joseph III were key founders of the Reorganized LDS (now known as the Community of Christ). Her "Deathbed refutation" is not considered seriously by most, as it was seen even at the time as mostly the work of Joseph III as a way to separate his family from the Young controlled LDS.

And yes, that is even a reference from contemporary church records. Feel free to check out "The Historical Record, Volumes 5-8" by Andrew Jenson. And yes, it is an official LDS document.

I honestly can not recall any in the LDS church that seriously deny that he had multiple wives. And then you have the writings of Emily Partridge. Daughter of one of the earliest converts, Edward partridge. Both Emily and her sister Eliza were both wives of Joseph.

 

Robert is dead wrong if he is saying that JSJr. was not a polygamist.

Oh, yes, he was and some of the wives said he had sex with them when he was in his thirties and they were as young as fourteen.

The LDS Church admits he was a polygamist.

Todd Compton and even Brian Hales admit he was a polygamist.

The official LDS position is that the FLDS Church an evil apostate organization.

 

@Robert is still ducking that he was absolutely refuted about JSJr and the LDS condemnation of the FLDS.

 

Actually I am not ducking any of you.

A refutation can be true or a lie. The alleged refutation you speak of is a lie.

Why do i say my church is not in the business of condemnation?

Because that is not the nature of the church. We know all about the FLDS. But they refuse to obey this nations law. We do not wish to associate with law breakers.

Here is what I now will do. i will go to LDS scholarly sources and let them do the talking.

If I am in error, i do not need to be reminded, I will simply admit i am in error. I do not consider being wrong an issue of pride. it is wrong to be wrong and fail to admit it.

This is entirely the stand by my church. This is all that i have ever known.

Polygamy: Latter-day Saints and the Practice of Plural Marriage
Polygamy — or more correctly polygyny, the marriage of more than one woman to the same man — was an important part of the teachings of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for a half-century. The practice began during the lifetime of Joseph Smith but became publicly and widely known during the time of Brigham Young. Today, the practice of polygamy is strictly prohibited in the Church, as it has been for over 120 years.

In 1831, Church founder Joseph Smith made a prayerful inquiry about the ancient Old Testament practice of plural marriage. This resulted in the divine instruction to reinstitute the practice as a religious principle.

Latter-day Saint converts in the 19th century had been raised in traditional, monogamous homes and struggled with the idea of a man having more than one wife. It was as foreign to them as it would be to most families today in the western world. Even Brigham Young, who was later to have many wives and children, confessed to his initial dread of the principle of plural marriage.

Subsequently, in 1890, President Wilford Woodruff, fourth president of the Church, received what Latter-day Saints believe to be a revelation in which God withdrew the command to practice plural marriage. He issued what has come to be known as the "Manifesto," a written declaration to Church members and the public at large that stopped the practice of plural marriage.

Later, describing the reasons for the Manifesto, President Woodruff told Church members, "The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for ... any of the men in this temple ... for all (temple sacraments) would be stopped throughout the land. ... Confusion would reign ... and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice."

Today Church members honor and respect the sacrifices made by those who practiced polygamy in the early days of the Church. However, the practice is outlawed in the Church, and no person can practice plural marriage and remain a member.

The standard doctrine of the Church is monogamy, as it always has been, as indicated in the Book of Mormon (Jacob chapter 2): “Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none. … For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.”

In other words, the standard of the Lord’s people is monogamy unless the Lord reveals otherwise. Latter-day Saints believe the season the Church practiced polygamy was one of these exceptions.

Polygamous groups and individuals in and around Utah often cause confusion for casual observers and for visiting news media. The polygamists and polygamist organizations in parts of the western United States and Canada have no affiliation whatsoever with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, despite the fact that the term "Mormon" — widely understood to be a nickname for Latter-day Saints — is sometimes misleadingly applied to them.

President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church's October 1998 general conference:“I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course, has no jurisdiction whatever in this matter.

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12).”

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/arti...ay-saints-and-the-practice-of-plural-marriage

 

They are breaking the law of this country. Does that make them evil? I never see this in our church writings.

Why did Joseph Smith Jr wife defend him by saying he had just one wife? We know about the wives of Brigham Young but why try to act like Smith did wrong even had he married more than one woman?

That is like saying to me,. Obama married a woman. There is no there there. It means nothing.

Frankly I took JS wife Emma at her word. Even on her dying bed she stated her husband has but one wife.

 

First there was no law covering the USA over polygamy.
Second to me it seems you confused Brigham Young with Joseph Smith. I posted what Joseph Smith's wife testified to. She denies he had more than her as his wife.

I don't care who you quote. The man's own wife is good enough for me.

Brigham in Utah did have a good number of wives. I explained those too.

Women on the trek west lost husbands to disease, age catching them, i think at times tribes attacked them and perhaps plain criminals along their path killed them.

Women in Utah had no homes. They were ordinarily not who built homes. A woman with children was a target.

Brigham Young got this idea to marry them.

Since all this was lawful, I see no problem. The women were willing and so were some of the men. A man in marrying other women did not have permission to not take care of them.