What would it take for you to switch?

Well your threshold is wrong.
My threshold is someone who will fulfill their oath to uphold the constitution and defend our countries against enemies foreign and domestic.

Hmmm i guess we have different ideas about what violates the constitution.
For instance any more gun laws violates the constitution, in fact the laws we currently have violate the constitution.

Also anti discrimination laws also violate the constitution in regards to the freedom of religion because they include gay marriage.

I agree no one should be descriminated against on the basis of gender, of which there are only 2. Also paying a woman less because whe brings in less revenue to the company us not discrimination.
Equal pay for equal value to the company not equal pay for the same position.

 

Robert E. Allen, imo, you are out of touch with 21st century America.

No one in his right mind should want to go back to the 1950s.

 

Interesting. Trump fails that threshold, too. He squabbles with our allies and cozies up to our enemies, while coddling dictators. That is not "defending our country"; it is making us -- and the world -- less safe.

He demands personal loyalty to him over loyalty to the country and the Constitution. He has tried to weaponize traditionally non-partisan agencies and roles for use against his political enemies. That is not "upholding the Constitution".

 

Ok, give examples.

 

He fired Comey because he would not give Trump a loyalty oath.

 

He fired Comey because he was a corrupt Clinton hack. So were Strozk and Page.

You cannot text the things they said and investigate fairly the people you say them about.

 

This makes no sense. Who cares what the rest of the party votes? The rest of the party doesn't represent him. It only matter what the person he voted for votes. Being more libertarian, I was happy to vote Democrat for one particular Representative because he aligned best with my values, and then next election vote for the Republican since he was the closest match over all others.

 

Any doubt left on why you don't vote for the party that Jake Starkey supports? He can't even take a middle of the road look at what happened under Obama and what Trump inherited. It's just "Trump is evil" nonsense.

The Democrats have gone so far left that even a moderate President unless it's a galvanizing leader like JFK will have no affect on their push for socialism. Democrats are who they are and they are doing what they want and that is to subvert America into a socialist country that will eventually implode on itself under mountains of debt that it cannot afford. Look at Chicago and that is what America will end up being.

No candidate is perfect and I can fault Trump on a lot of things (like some of his tweets), but the more damage that has been done are the lies spread and the fake investigations that have been done to Trump. Remember, Trump was a Democrat for many years. His views have never changed, it's just that the Democrats have moved further to the left.

 

Trump certainly has very few conservative ideas.

 

Cozying up to dictators and enemies:
-- Russia. Fawning over Putin every time they meet. Believing Putin over his own intelligence agencies.
-- Saudi Arabia. The crown prince of SA has an American journalist killed, and Trump couldn't care less, because SA buys weapons from us.
-- Turkey. Congratulating Erdogan on "winning" a rigged election.
-- North Korea. Giving NK all the legitimacy it craves, without requiring a single concrete step from them, even ignoring recent NK missile tests. Claiming the NK dictator, who rules over perhaps THE most repressive regime in the world, "loves his people".
-- Philippines. Congratulating Rodrigo Duterte on his "successful" anti-drug campaign -- a campaign most people recognize as shockingly brutal, which has resulted in more than 7,000 deaths so far -- not just suspected drug dealers, but addicts as well, accompanied by routine and extreme violations of law and human rights. It has been described by Amnesty International as "not a war on drugs, but a war on the poor."

Squabbling with our allies
-- Read any news about Trumps actions/statements regarding NATO or the G20, particularly the bits where he suggested that the U.S. wouldn't uphold its NATO treaty commitments.
-- Pulling out of the TPP, a trade partnership designed to hem in China. Now our allies in the region, left unprotected, are reaching accommodations with China instead.
-- Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal over the objections of our allies (thus enabling Iran to restart trying to acquire a nuclear bomb, by the way).
-- Threatening some of our strongest allies over minor trade issues.

Overall, Trump has made many of our allies rethink whether America is a dependable ally and trade partner. And he has emboldened many dictators and regional powers into thinking they can do anything they want. So he is simultaneously making the world a more dangerous place, while weakening the alliances and relationships we use to defend ourselves.

 

That is an opinion.

 

He is very middle of the road and actually leans left in some areas. If Democrats were really interested in improving our country and getting things they want instituted, Trump is the best chance they had. They are not, clearly, all they do is whine, obstruct and attack the foundations of our country.

 

None of this effects American security.

 

Wow. If you can state with a straight face, there's no reaching you with facts.

 

He fired Comey because it's his Constitutional right. Comey also proved to be a partisan hack so it was a pretty great move on Trump's part.

Comey will need to explain to Barr about his leaking of information to the press, illegally. Looking forward to it.

 

That's one interpretation. He fired Comey to keep him from going after Flynn along with the loyalty oath. Trump is a partisan hack.

Barr won't go after Comey. Barr knows that Comey has the goods on him. Notice the 'investigate the investigators' is going nowhere.

 

Delusional.

 

Indeed, that is exactly what Barr and Trump are: delusional.

The 'investigate the investigators' is dead in the water. A source told me that Barr expected the media from right to left to run with it, which it has not, and he does not know how to massage the program. He needs a propaganda push because there is no merit to the investigation.

 

No, your account thinking that Comey somehow has "The goods" on William Barr is just plain delusional and frankly speaks to your whole narrative. Not sure who feeds such ridiculous information or if you just come up with it on your own. Maybe try and argue with some common sense and logic for a change.

 

JakeStarkey said: ↑Indeed, that is exactly what Barr and Trump are: delusional.

The 'investigate the investigators' is dead in the water. A source told me that Barr expected the media from right to left to run with it, which it has not, and he does not know how to massage the program. He needs a propaganda push because there is no merit to the investigation.

To deny Comey has the goods on Barris delusional.

And you dodged Barr's weak-butt "investigate the investigators" non-investigation, so I will remind you dodged it.

 

I'm 3rd party, but I never vote straight ticket. I've voted for Dems and I've voted for Republicans. The closest thing to me "switching" at this point would be to switching to being a Trump supporter. That . . . would take a lot. He'd have to grow up, pump the breaks on his compulsive lying, learn how things like trade and tariffs actually work, cool it on the xenophobia, show some interest in evidence-based decision making over his feels, and start showing some respect for the limitations of his office. I don't foresee any of that happening. Oh, and Trump supporters would have to have better responses to posts like this than desperate whataboutism or other attempts to dodge. Also not likely.

 

I can say it with a straight face because none of our allies have done anything to make America safer. It's the USA making the whole world as safe as we realistically can. All the other countries of the world do nothing save the UK which does the tiniest bit. If we made everyone mad if everyone hated us we'd be no less safe.

 

Oh, yes, squabbling with our allies does hurt our security, and it is only foolishness to deny it.

 

Utter nonsense. Why don't you back up your allegations with some actual evidence that James Comey somehow "has the goods" on William Barr.

 

That's it. Both Republican and Democrats, except for a very few reform minded, intellectually honest individuals, are generally of a permanent political class that exists to increase its own power, prestige, influence, and personal wealth. The only difference in the two parties in that regard are the kinds of bones they throw to their respective constituencies.

They all talk a good game of what they will get done and accomplish for we the people. But once safely in office, they might make a half hearted effort to argue something and go through the motions, but mostly they put all that campaign rhetoric on the shelf and conform to the rest of the permanent political class, maintain a status quo beneficial to themselves, and it is business as usual. If challenged on why they didn't get this or that done, they'll shrug it off as 'well, they tried, but it was a no go' or some such.

President Trump has been in office 2-1/2 years and has accomplished much much more--almost all of it good for America and Americans--than Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders have accomplished together in more than 90 combined years in politics. And yet they both, as do all the other aspiring candidates, keep telling us what they will accomplish if we just elect them one more time.

Unless something dramatically change, I can't imagine anything a Democrat can offer that would persuade me to vote for him/her over President Trump.