Why Gun Control is doomed to fail......

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  1. TOG 6

    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    If only you knew something about the current laws regarding selling firearms to felons.
    You'd hire felons to commit felonies?
     
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    Such as when they sell a firearm to a felon.
     
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    It is against the law to sell firearms to felons.
     
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    You don't want to openly discuss them, as you refuse to honestly address the most basic questions about them.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    its a silly idea. the person who is a felon knows he cannot own a firearm and can be sent to prison if he is caught with one. That is enough of a sanction to prevent the crime. BM members want to make all sorts of laws designed to turn gun owners into felons/ the BM doesn't hate armed criminals, they hate gun owners who vote

    BTW one of the reasons why the disease of gun control is waning is that more and more people are understanding that the BM is not about crime control but political retribution
     
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    Under what circumstances is it illegal to sell a firearm to a felon?
     
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    wrong, its against the law for a seller to provide a firearm to someone he knows or should know is a felon. I once represented a guy who was the BROTHER of one of our paralegals. He was busted for DUI. I asked his sister what sort of record her brother had since I was meeting him in lockup right before his hearing. He had lived in California for 9 years prior. She said he had a clear record. the Judge noted that the defendant had two FELONY heroin convictions that he had failed to inform me about and that his own sister did not know about. Now if this woman had sold her brother a handgun, you want to put her in jail when the bad apple was him?
     
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    duplicate post.
     
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    I have never in my life said any such thing, and after a 5 minute talk, I will know if that person is prohibited or not.
     
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    You just said it a minute ago.

    Do tell: how do you know if a person is prohibited from buying?
     
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    Insisting I am a female is not a slight on me but the intention to slight me
    as a female should not be lost on females.
     
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    Maybe you could learn to not ask loaded questions.

    Do you have an other arrows in your quiver?
     
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    Evey question I have asked is directly related to a statement you made or a position you took - you simply refuse to provide an honest answer
    To wit:
    Under what circumstances is it illegal to sell a firearm to a felon?
     
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    Knowingly?

    If you sell a firearm to felon NEGLECTFULLY, why aren't you guilty of a crime?

    If you are selling a firearm and you aren't doing background checks, then you know
    your customers will include people who are avoiding FFLs.
     
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    Loaded.

    I am not here to teach you English.
     
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    if you knew anything about the law regarding the sale of firearms, you would not have to ask this.
    If you have customers, you have an FFL.
     
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    Another example of your unwillingness to discuss an issue honestly.
    Under what circumstances is it illegal to sell a firearm to a felon?
     
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    Sure......
    That pesky Felony conviction is so easy to forget.....
    5 minutes and I will know.
     
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    You think so, do you? I guess that depends on what you think equates to being "paid well." As a Federal Agent I suppose I was paid better than some; but most local agencies pay their officers far less.
     
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    duplicate post
     
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    You are not right, I never tried to slight you in any way, I thought you were a Lady, and you informed me you are not.
    Apologies..etc....

    Also, if you ask every Lady or Female anywhere, you will not find any that will say I slighted them, I treat women very well.
     
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    Nope. It's still there. To whit:
    I was speaking of the rights of law abiding citizens... and you accused me of selling firearms to felons.

    No. I don't do that. For the most part, if I'm selling a firearm I sell it to someone who is known to me or I consign the firearm through a licensed dealer. On those rare occasions when I have sold my firearm to someone I didn't know personally I always took down their drivers license information, and on one occasion I took a look at the would-be buyer and did not pursue the transaction because something about him struck me wrong.

    Maybe that's why people aren't listening to you.
     
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    If I document the identity of the individual and I don't sell to people I don't find trustworthy, then I am neither neglectful nor negligent and thus not guilty of any crime.

    Some people have legitimate reasons to avoid FFL's.
     
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    I don't look to others to determine my moral behavior either. And, for me, owning a firearm is as much a moral issue as it is a practical concern.

    Jesus ordered his apostles to carry a sword even if they had to hock their robes to do so. Being armed is a personal responsibility and part of my moral code.

    As a practical concern, the courts have determined your personal protection is YOUR responsibility, not theirs. I have hundreds of examples. Here are a couple:

    On June 27, 2005 in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection.

    "a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981)

    "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public."
    Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989)

    So, here is the bottom line to this: You want to determine the value of my life, based upon a popularity vote while the government is telling me it's my duty to protect my own life. I choose not to handicap myself as my life is worth more than your petty feelings. And I know the value of my life better than anyone so I will follow the dictates of my conscience and use the best technology that I can afford and if it insults you or a political majority well xin loi victor charlie.
     
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    Yeah....they are felons
     
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