Why Gun Control is doomed to fail......

And this is a lie.

 

You claimed that the only reason the CDC had its funding for research of firearms issues was because of the undue influence of the NRA. This is false. The CDC published a dishonest, cooked study, and were stripped of their funding because of it. They brought it upon themselves.

 

Due diligence?

Do they ask them if they are a convicted felon?

Or, being of good conscience, people such as yourself, absolutely refuse to
sell to people wearing orange jump suits with numbers over their shirt pocket?

And this due diligence - a suggestion in a brochure the NRA passes out during
their big chicken PR campaigns in our public schools?

You want to imply you are or have been a LEO, tell me: what kind of response
would you expect from suggestions? compared to say actual laws which everyone
always obey?

 

Where did I say it was the only reason?

 

No, it's the truth, Plain, unvarnished, unadulterated truth. Fortunately, even though gun banners hate facts, logic, and truth there are enough people to recognize their intrinsic dishonesty to have begun shutting their agenda down.

 

All of this, and you still refuse to admit that the federal government does track gun-related deaths, your claim to the contrary not withstanding.

 

Congress passed a bill presented by Rep. Jay Dickey (R-Ga.) forbidding the CDC to
spend funds “to advocate or promote gun control.”

Over here in the real world.

And that covered everything the NRA thought put firearm owners in a bad
light.

Including the 35,500 people who die (last year) at the wrong end of a gun.

 

Nothing here changes the fact when you bleat on about people selling guns to felons, you argue from ignorance.

 

Why should they be funded?

Congress refused to provide direct funding to the CDC for the study of gun violence because they didn't want a study to be laced with political objectives.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/12/15/why-congress-cut-the-cdcs-gun-research-budget/

Yet, despite congress not providing direct funding for that purpose, the CDC received funding from other sources, such as the NIH. They have been funded and have conducted studies
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2513131

They released their report in 2013
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

The left didn't quite get the answers they wanted and have since tried to allow the report to slip to obscurity and continue to push the NRA blocking gun research narrative. Gee, all those NRA members, voters all, are demons... they advocate arming felons and killing children.

 

Progressives are a funny bunch, trying to put the cows back in the barn, To late.....way to late. I and many others are purchasing firearms and ammo for our grandchildren, teaching hunter safety, marksmanship, sport and history or joining Appleseed and other programs.

When our youts join the military, a sudden interest in firearms is born with the realization that 2A is not for the government to decide for the citizen and carry on the tradition of teaching its own children.

 

Your fallacious appeal to emotion aside...
Most - indeed, around 2/3 of these people - died form their own fault.

 

Well, that is a point of view. But, I have lived where there is no enforced central law, 'a society of anarchy' as you call it (no state enforced law), one where every man is armed and violence was not rampant, quite the opposite. I may at some point consider a thread on it to dispell some misconceptions.

 

35,500 dead.

Probably a little more when the final toll is published.

 

That's nice.

Over here, most of us are in the USA>

 

When did you prove that the federal government does not track gun fatalities, by at least 2 entities?
When did you prove that Congress has for thirty years blocked all attempts to track firearm fatalities?

 

Your fallacious appeal to emotion aside...
Most - indeed, around 2/3 of these people - died form their own fault.

 

I guess they must have deleted where I said that.

But you do insist you can sell firearms to complete strangers or that is what I
have so far.

If you want a LEGALLY required background check, I missed it.

But then I stop reading when people start tossing insults.

 

When did you prove there is no Santa Claus?

 

As a former LEO I am fully aware that honest citizens always do their best to live responsibly. They do everything they can to ensure guns they sell don't end up in the wrong hands. I also am fully aware that criminals don't give a flying fornication for laws. "Actual laws which everyone always obey"; give me an f'ing break. CRIMINALS BREAK LAWS. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO, BY DEFINITION.

Once again, this is a nation where one of our core ideals is "innocent until proven guilty." People have rights that can only be infringed legitimately once they have actually committed an offense deserving of it. We can pass laws to punish malefactors. Laws which infringe upon the rights of people who have committed no crime are unethical and amoral.

 

If you want a good litmus test to see if a person is prohibited from owning firearms, ask if they have CCW and note their response, also mention you will want a copy of their driver's license, CC etc...
A prohibited person will make excuse, ATM machine etc.... and not return lol.....

Or volunteer to transfer the Gun through an FFL, a prohibited will beg off.......

No legitimate non criminal Gun Owner will knowingly sell a firearm or ammo to a Felon.

 

YOU made two claims - do you not remember? I'll provide the post #s so you can track back.

1: Congress has for thirty years blocked all attempts to track firearm fatalities. (post #8 )
2: Firearms deaths "are not" tracked by at least 2 federal entities (post #13)

When did you prove them claims?

 

You don't get extra points.

And I have seen as we all have seen what some LEOs are like.

And that includes LEOs who accuse people they don't know of having their
head someplace just because they post something contrary to their opinion.

If one would look at the entire spectrum of human beings, one would find
the LEO is filled with people like you.

 

I guess we forgot you were saying you have said you should be able to sell to
anyone.

Now are you saying you as a private person can sell to someone who has a
CCW?

Putting aside having a CCW doesn't preclude a person from being on the list of
person prohibited from owning a firearm?

 

Just like the laws against selling firearms to felons, I see you are ignorant of the various laws regarding issuing, suspending and revoking CCW permits.

 

And you insist you can sell firearms to strangers.

Myself, I'd be happy to make sure any time anyone sold a firearm to someone
who wasn't allowed to own a firearm, that would be a felony.

On the spot.

You could make background checks. . . a suggestion.

Just make sure when someone made a "mistake"... and passed ownership to
someone on that list . . . it would be over.

And I'd hire lots of felons to run sting operations, especially, at gun shows.

Bang for the buck.