California teacher slams military members as 'lowest of the low' in classroom rant.

Interesting information, but I don't really see an issue here.

Were the teacher to suffer dismissal or other negative consequences, he'd certainly have an excellent 1st amendment case.

As to the taping - dead link by the way - discipline for the student (suspension and so forth) might be warranted, and would certainly be more appropriate than any for the teacher.

Fascinating to see so much conservative hatred for free speech on display here.

 

I really don't understand the hatred expressed for legitimate free speech here...

 

It's very much a free speech argument, but I certainly didn't intend to single you out.

My feeling is that anyone who opposes this teacher's right to make these comments spits in the face of anyone who ever served, and simultaneously defiles the Constitution.

But we can certainly agree to disagree.

 

How do you know this?

I certainly agree that not permitting equal student rebuttal time is odious, but I don't see how we can make an assumption either way.

 

I don't think so, though ideally, he'd permit and encourage open discussion/rebuttal.

 

What a horse's ass. Disrespecting those who serve in the military is the lowest of the low...

 

1st link: Meaningless; no sources cited.

2nd link: Of the 5 studies - most outdated - none measure IQ.

3rd link: Dead.

100% fail on your part I'm afraid.

 

No, he would not. As stated, courts are very deferential to reasonable school board restrictions of teacher speech in the classroom. In a California court or a wackadoo Democrat Federal Court? Who knows, but that's not the actual state of the law concerning restriction of teacher speech in the classroom. The teacher violated the provision I quoted in several ways, and possibly other provisions in addition.

No, it would not. The student's conduct in taping a class where students are presumed to be taking notes of the teacher's words neither violates California law nor any school regulation I could find. I have linked the entire school board regulations together with California law as applies to taping. If you think there is some grounds for discipline of the student in them, find it and cite it. Maybe I missed it. Otherwise you are LARPING.

Wrong yet again. Had the teacher made his statements on a street corner? I'd defend him myself. There are several reasons why teacher speech in the classroom is reasonably regulated, there is no reasonable free speech issue in these facts. Teachers -do- have free speech rights at work generally with respect to certain topics, mostly workplace issues, just like everyone else under Federal labor law, but even those rights are reasonably restricted at the classroom door.

There are reasonable ways this teacher could have introduced this topic within the school board's guidelines without violating them. He did not do that, though, and the heat that is coming down is not "hatred for free speech."

 

Zero proof of this presented in the one (of three) links that provided any stats.

 

Free speech is a very scary thing for some...

 

Conservatives don't hate free speech at all. But both liberals and conservatives agree that free speech has its limits. It also has its place. This teacher was on the job.

Do you work for someone? Do you have an absolute right to say anything you want to anybody with impunity when you're on the job? Actually, for the most part, you do have the right to say it. But if your employer is paying you to do something other than spewing disrespect to your clients, then he has a right to impose negative consequences on you. So, in that case, your freedom of speech is intact, but it is not without consequences if you are on the job being paid to do a job. I will tell you that if I'm being paid to teach history to 15/16 year olds, I can guarantee you I am not being paid to waste time insulting their loved ones and using profane language in the process.

Nope ... I love free speech. But this was not what I would call "legitimate" free speech. He was bullying.

Would you be so quick to protect the free speech rights of a teacher who was voicing his white supremacist views? Yes, you would. But you probably say that you also support the right of the school district to get rid of him. I think we could both agree that such a person was not fit to teach our children, wouldn't we?

This man's situation is no different.

He's a bully. He's ignorant. And he's a punk.

Seth

 

Citizens who engage in free speech should be tortured and deported - gottit.

The AltRighTaliban is as bad as (if not worse than) the ALtLefTaliban it would seem...

 

Cite? Proof? Study? Link?

You have yet to provide these.

TIA

 

The Taliban tares down monuments.

If there's such a thing as the "AltRightTaliban" start listing those monuments that were taken down.

 

Those who engage in free speech = POS/disgusting sh*tbags.

Gottit.

 

Anyone who militantly opposes free speech concerns me.

 

Proof? Link? Cite? Study?

TIA

 

Yeah those antifa thugs and college progressives.

 

As noted, a great test case, but I don't think there's any basis for negative consequences for the teacher, so we'll likely never know.

As earlier stated, the student is more likely to face appropriate discipline, but I'm not sure what strictures might or might not apply here. A reprimand and clarification of the guidelines/rules certainly seem in order for him at a minimum.

See my first reply above.

The teacher seems reasonable enough, though impolitic. I don't think we know enough to judge, but he's certainly within his rights re: the 1st. And yes - it IS disturbing to see so much hostility toward free speech coming from PC buttercups and snowflakes on the right.

One more comment: I don't think I've ever seen you express yourself so clearly, and I applaud that, as questionable as some of your conclusions may be.

 

I already responded to you.

 

This is an interesting area for free speech, but the teacher appears to be within his rights re: the 1st, yes.

A white supremacist might be more problematic depending on their utterances, but would enjoy some protections, yes.

As far as the right of the school to remove such a teacher, it would entirely depend on what s/he said/did.

His/her "fitness" would again depend on various factors; what they teach, what they've said/done and so forth.

Bullying, ignorance and punkness seem subjective to me, so I can't address those judgments.

 

And I responded to you; 100% fail.

 

I see the monumental right to free speech being torn down.

 

Yes, though only some college progressives; let's all try to do better.

 

That's happening in Berkeley and other colleges and universities all across America where ever there are snowflakes and ANTIFA to be found.