Is this the end for Venezuela Socialism?

Chavez would not have interest in disruption of his country agriculture.

 

First he seized the land of farmers with 1,000 hectares.
Then he seized the land of farmers with 500 hectares.
Pretty soon Venezuela started looking like Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

Don't you know, Socialism has no place for private property. All
belongs to the collective - and of course, controlled by the Govt..

 

Your concept of democracy fits historically in socialist countries moreso than capitalist ones.

 

Every honest person hopes not.

That's the same thing Maduro said.

Normally, I would say that you are crazy. I'm not saying that today however.

 

The first sanctions began with the Obama administration. Declaring Venezuela "an unusual and extraordinary threat" to the US. The US controls Saudi oil reserves. That's the special relationship. Thats why the US is participating in the genocidal Saudi-led war in Yemen. A quid pro quo. Yemen is "the world's worst humanitarian crisis," according to the UN. More than 80,000 people have been killed and millions are on the verge of famine. Why aren't you and your ilk protesting that? Because Socialism.

 

Is this the end for Venezuelan socialism?





Not likely as Trump's puppet leader is a socialist and gives the Marxist salute.

 

In a word, the CIA has meddled in south and central america for as long as it has existed, as a covert operation to effect regime change.

Stop being so naive.

You should really do some serious reading up on what the CIA is and what it has been for a long time. Hell, just reading the Confessions of an Economic Hit Man would make many of us less naive as to how the world and the US actually operates.

I say, stay the hell out of other nations, including our CIA and let those people work it out on their own. And yet, we seem to have an aversion to this way of operating. We want to have a say in who rules another nation, and we prefer the ones who will allow our capitalists to exploit as much as possible in their own self interests, and not in the interests of the people of those nations.

 

Venezuela regime change big business opportunity: John Bolton | Fox Business

 

You can add El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala Syria and others to the list

 

And your information is coming from where ?

 

All are US client states. Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the US. Not a foreign country.

 

The Super Markets shelves in Venezuela are packed, although the prices are high. Maduro in the meantime thanked Vladimir Putin for the medicines from Russia. I assume they were sanctioned by the US.

If the US aid is for humanitarian purposes as the propagandists profess, Washington would do what Russia is doing and send it through the UN. But they're not now are they?

As for the false flag attacks by the masked men on the aid truck, well they are masked now aren't they? Who knows how many Venezuelans will be killed so as to blame Maduro so we can intervene?






Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Fool me thrice, I'm an idiot!

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Is this the end for Venezuela Socialism?

No, but only because Socialism died in Venezuela long ago. This always happens, it is defining of of the fundamental defects in Socialism that the moment it is proclaimed the leadership corrupts from the utopian ideal and moves towards authoritarianism. While Chaves/Maduro made some reforms and nationalized some industry, it was paltry compared to the classless utopia they claim to have initiated.

Venezuela is an authoritarian government reaching its end. Whatever lies or even self-deceptions Maduro may speak are besides the point. Whatever mix of nationalized and still independent industry exist is also besides the point. To be a Socialist State there must be the all encompassing goal of a classless society where all are equal, where all means of production are centrally owned and directed and all workers receive what they need to survive.

As Socialism was defined by its creator, Venezuela has always been a lie and is now crumbling from the twisted invention of its crazed, violent and dictatorial leadership.

 

Thank you for the reminder. I would have included them too but my fingers got tired. Maybe I should just have said "all of Latin Ameria".

 

and it gets it's start from socialism, every freagin time... can't change human nature nor human will... pipe dreams never work out...
even the so-called biblical 'paradise' after armageddon , is flawed because there's always subservients to others, someone has to gather, clean, cook, manufacture, guide... and sooner or later, someone will 'awaken' and revolt...

 

This whole platitude narrative "We fight for Democracy and Democratic principles" as justification for US foreign policy is abject falsehood on steroids .. a "necessary illusion" to comfort the ignorant sheep - a narrative touted by the MSM - without question in full commission of the "Sin of Omission"

As I sit typing the headline on CNN "Reliable Sources" (nice doublespeak title) is

Redefining the Future of the Free World

The host "Fareed" and the panelists then bubber on as if we somehow hold some moral high-ground with respect to promoting freedom in the world. Assumed Premise fallacy on steroids.

"We need to explain these principles and any they make sense for the foundation of Just Society" - states one of the panelists.

The reality of course is that the MSM and these propaganda pundits do everything in their power not to explain the founding principles, rule of law, and international law that underlies the foundations of a Just Society.

 

IMO spot on.
Venezuela wants to keep the resource, oil, for themselves.
And countries, lie the USA and others, would like to have their countries companies profit from their resource.

 

Is this the end for Venezuela Socialism?

Maybe. It is the end of Maduro and, with luck, the end of dictatorship. But the country is a mess and could continue as a mess with a different leader. Time will tell.

 

I wonder what international law has to do with a just society (whatever that is.)

 

Whole countries are privatized, put up for sale, and their natural wealth is sold off to foreign companies for next to nothing. That's why the Third World doesn't develop. They are exploited by the core countries and the US is the "gatekeeper", as Thomas Friedman put it. Free Trade Agreements are the insurance policy.

 

I feel ill when I think about it. The lies have been fast and frequent. I think what we need to understand is that the American idea of Democracy and Democratic principle can be defined by "Operation TP Ajax" as early as 1953. This was the moment that the U.S. put its stamp of Democracy on its values. TP Ajax should replace "In God we trust" on every coin and note of currency. This is where the U.S. spells it out and announces, "Democracy is OK but not exceeding the point where we filthy rich can still make a huge profit off of those who have doodly-squat."

 

That's a clue for sure. Do you know what irks me? Those sacks of rice being unloaded from American military planes in Africa. You know, the ones that are supposed to be humanitarian aid for the starving masses of people due to war and drought. You might think it would warm my heart, but it doesn't. There, on each and every sack is printed in bold letters, "Donated by the United States of America." I mean really? Political PR propaganda in the face of the starving. I wonder what the cost of ink is these days? It's probably more expensive than the rice within.

 

On-line, radio, TV, newspapers and two church friends who live there.
Where does yours come from?

 

The tragedy of Socialism isn't when rulers become dictatorial - it begins with the stealing
of people's property and businesses. In other words, corruption is embedded in Socialism.