Trump's tariffs are hurting GOP election chances this fall

It makes sense to me when our government does anything that lowers prices. Tariffs don't. You all act as if it's the Chinese that will pay these tariffs. It isn't, every single penny of any tariff is paid by the citizens of the country imposing it, nobody else. Tariffs are a TAX. I thought conservatives were against using/increasing taxes to manage the economy

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/04/china-raises-tariffs-soybeans-aircraft/484719002/

Don't be disingenuous. They haven't raised them yet but they fully plan to unless Trump backs down

 

The USA spends 5x the amount of military spending of the next 5 biggest spending nations COMBINED. China spends nowhere close to that.

 

China has to open its markets or lose US trade.

 

That's part of the international trade negotiation dance. A trade war will hurt China much more than the US.

 

China won't hurt themselves plus they have a much larger population to take care of.

 

From chinas point of view tariffs in US products are a plus for china

Returning jobs to America is not only good for our economy but it provides security also

As we become more dependant on china America becomes their bitch

Thst is unacceptable

 

More of our defense budget goes to the troops

Our biggest enemies spend their money on hardware

China russia, iran and north korea combined would be a formidable enemy in our weakened condition with no one to assist us

 

Not if free traders in America have anything to say about it

They dont care if all the jobs move to china and we export nothing but raw materials

 

Tariffs on Chinese goods will regressively harm the lower income quintiles and result in a net loss of US jobs and reduced US economic growth. But also harmed is the Chinese economy which cannot afford to slow down. Trump's ultimate goal is to reduce trade barriers to US exports which will benefit the US economy without harming the lower income quintiles.

 

But it will still hurt us and quite a bit. A trade war is a matter of tariffs and tariffs hurt any country that puts them on. Tariffs are TAXES ON OURSELVES by which we seek to shield American companies who cannot offer their products at competitive prices to the rest of the world. They are basically taking your money and giving it to wealthy business owners as a reward for making inferior and overpriced goods. I find it truly deceptive and hypocritical when conservatives who tell us we should not penalize American taxpayers even to support our elderly and sick then tell us we must succour rich business owners who are unwilling to give up enough profit that would enable them to offer their products to the world without the coerced support of people who have never had anything even close to their wealth and privileges. Tariffs hurt us all even those very business owners. They incentivize companies to produce inferior products and to spend their effort on seeking government aid instead of making better things. Eventually the companies will make shittier and shittier products which they cannot sell even here while the rest of the world is buying anywhere BUT American. Economically, tariffs are are akin to a drug and the people supporting them are like loving parents unable to stop giving their child money the child then uses to purchase more drugs in a vicious circle, (and also often like the vicious drug peddlers who seek to profit off people's weaknesses)

 

What jobs are lost?

Dock workers unloading junk from china?

Poor Americans would be less poor if they had manufacturing jobs instead of existing on welfare

 

Then why doesn't he seek to do just that through direct deals where we give the Chinese something they want in exchange for less tariffs on their part, the idea being for the Great Donald to employ his "art of the deal" to come up with something where BOTH sides profit. This is the way trade diplomacy has worked since the late 1800's after all.

Instead, Trump is trying to profit himself and his cronies at the expense of the American public while his brainwashed minions eat it with the Golden MAGA spoon. So what else is new from the Most Corrupt American President Ever.

 

Uh... who is supposed to load and unload all those things manufactured to get them from the factory to the consumer?

I love the way you turn stevedores into lazy welfare recipients if they dare find themselves inconvenient for the Trumpista's plans to have us pay ever higher and higher tariffs to support snowflake business owners that can't compete in the world

 

Americans of course

But with more manufacturing in America more workers would be moving American-made products and less junk made in china

 

Manufacturing is not the be and end all of economics you seem to think it is. In a post-industrial economy we dispense more services than goods. These are services like computer programmers and robotics repairmen rather than the much maligned McDonald's workers mind you

 

You are putting words in my mouth

All productive activities belong

We need an economy that hits on all cylinders not just the effete sit behind a desk stock broker economy

America is not post industrial except in the dreams of globalist liberals

Someone still has to make the consumer products you crave

You just dont want it to be Americans

 

We'd better be Post Industrial, because just about all of the developed world is like that nowadays. Of course that is the conservative vision for America, a hermit kingdom frozen in time. Problem is that time doesn't freeze, if you don't keep up you fall behind and then you rot. Is that what you want. America a benighted third world nation with terrible living standards, dreaming of our past glories while we starve? That isn't hyperbole, we've seen it happen many times before and probably the best example is the most ironic, China.

 

Trump's tariffs are hurting GOP election chances this fall
Probably true but they will help the future of the country.

 

Of course they are hurting. They are further splitting a party that has historically been against tariffs. And some of the populists on the other side of the rift are suddenly realizing that a trade war is . . . bad for their business too. Econ 101 was never Trump's strong suit.

 

I don't think it matters anyway for us voters. The average voter (in my opinion) only cares about people for or against a war, and social issues.

 

No tariffs have been implemented. China cannot afford to have tariffs applied to their goods. They will capitulate. Trump clearly understands this and is using the threat of tariffs to force China to open it's markets to US goods and to enforce intellectual property and copy right laws.

 

Jobs are lost because the prices of goods in the US increase resulting in less overall consumption of US goods. This is exactly what happened when Bush 43 implemented a steel tariff - ~ 50K jobs were saved and ~ 150K jobs were lost.

 

That's exactly what Trump is doing. It's amazing that the intellectually superior liberal progressives are apparently actually incapable of understanding this. Both sides will profit. Americans will enjoy low Chinese prices and will also enjoy more jobs due to increased sales of US goods and services to China.

Trump is profiting himself from tariffs on China because he is the most corrupt American President Ever ?? Not that's some heavy Trump Derangement Syndrome. Too funny.

 

Another fine example of how the illiberal left is apparently incapable of understanding trade negotiations. Amazing.