Turkey Closed Straits - Russia Blockaded - Has World War III Begun?

Pax Aeon · Dec 2, 2015

Texas Republican said: ↑

We can only hope.
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Speak for yourself. I'm not a blood thirsty war monger like Obama/Clinton and both sides of Congress.

Jeannette · Dec 2, 2015

MississippiMud said: ↑

To what end?
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Well according to Friedman of Stratfor, Washington's main goal is to keep Germany and Russia from uniting and destroying its hegemony. So taking that into account, it's Washington that wants them to fight one another.

Merwen · Dec 2, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

Slight correction. The U.S foreign policy makers are trying to start war with Russia. There is an alliance between neocons and Brzezinski. Brzezinski is directing Obama's foreign policies. He always wanted an alliance between the USA and so called 'political Islam'. Hence absolute mess in the Middle East. Washington D.C lunatics want to spread chaos to Central Asia. The idea is to use radical Sunni groups to advance the U.S geostrategic goals.
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IF you are correct, that's crazy.

Why feed something that will bite your own hand?

Jeannette · Dec 2, 2015

Hoosier8 said: ↑

Well, we all know the megalomaniac in the Kremlin doesn't care anything about borders.
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Hey, you're confusing Russia with a bunch of rogue nations...like the US for instance. Russia only goes where it is invited by legitimate governments... like for instance Assad's government.

Jeannette · Dec 2, 2015

Hoosier8 said: ↑

Russia is attacking Turkmen in Syria.
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Those Turkmen are an excuse. If you knew Erdogan's policies, and his PM Devotoglu's book 'Strategic Depth', you would know that he wants to rebuild the Ottoman Empire...one nation at a time. He's the one that back stabbed Assad and destroyed Syria.

Jeannette · Dec 3, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

Slight correction. The U.S foreign policy makers are trying to start war with Russia. There is an alliance between neocons and Brzezinski. Brzezinski is directing Obama's foreign policies. He always wanted an alliance between the USA and so called 'political Islam'. Hence absolute mess in the Middle East. Washington D.C lunatics want to spread chaos to Central Asia. The idea is to use radical Sunni groups to advance the U.S geostrategic goals.
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Brezinski is Polish, so he has a historical animosity and fear towards Russia...as do the neo cons. So our foreign policy is based on their prejudicial rationales and interpretations...no wonder it's a mess.

You are right though, they do want to attack Russia and cause chaos where it's most vulnerable, and that's on it's lower flanks...the 'Stans'. Russia has been providing help and training so they can protect themselves.

That part is not only important to Russia, but also to China...since it has plans for its new silk roads to pass through those countries. It wants to avoid the Pacific and the US's seventh fleet which could block its merchants ships easily.

Alucard · Dec 3, 2015

Putin certainly has a personal vendetta against Turkey.

Giftedone · Dec 3, 2015

Jeannette said: ↑

By closing the straits, the megalomaniac sitting in Ankara has blockaded Russia. Russia's container ships are waiting to go through the Bosporus, but only Turkish ships are being allowed through.

Turkey has a right to do this according to the Montreaux Treaty if it fears aggression, or if it is in a state of war with Russia. So what is it, does it fear aggression or is it in a state of war?

According to Nato, they will support a nation if it is attacked, but Turkey was not attacked, it attacked Russia. I hope they remember this before Turkey drags the world into war.

Today Pres. Putin has deployed 150,000 troops and equipment into Syria, as well as 7,000 Russian Troops, tanks, rocket launchers and artillery, to the Russian Border of Turkey at Armenia, with orders to be fully combat ready.

This latest development of blockading Russian naval vessels is a massive and terrifyingly dangerous development. Blockading Russia and preventing its Black Sea fleet from traveling to the rest of the world, or back to its home port, is something that will not sit well with the Russians.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkey...as-black-sea-fleet-completely-cut-off/5492688
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I do not think Turkey has actually "blocked" the straights. They are playing a dangerous game by holding up Russian ships but I do not think they have gone as far as to actually block them.

If they did do this I think all hell would break loose.

MississippiMud · Dec 3, 2015

Jeannette said: ↑

Well according to Friedman of Stratfor, Washington's main goal is to keep Germany and Russia from uniting and destroying its hegemony. So taking that into account, it's Washington that wants them to fight one another.
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I am aware of George Friedman's views on Turkey as a regional power with eyes on expansion as well as Germany and Russia getting to cozy. Pushing to the brink of war? I dunno ... unless the goal is to break from Nato. I know we lack any coherency when it comes to foreign policy but could they be that knuckle headed?

I miss my Stratfor sub. Have always found their analysis to be well reasoned if not accurate.

Regular Joe · Dec 3, 2015

All hell is on the loose. I was checking to see if Debka had anything about the strait blockade, but found this piece about Russian provocation:
http://www.debka.com/article/25046/Turkey-suspends-flights-over-Syria-Russia-launches-electronic-warfare-against-Ankara
Putin is already blockading Turkish commerce, and destroying all Turkish assets in Syria.

cerberus · Dec 3, 2015

Pax Aeon said: ↑

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It appears to me like NATO is deliberately trying to provoke a war with Russia.
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It appeared to me when NATO started poking into Ukraine. WTF is going on? Everything was going along swimmingly until the EU tried to bribe Ukraine into joining 'the club', and since then all hell has broken loose. No prize for guessing who the troublemaker is here!

Silver Surfer · Dec 3, 2015

Merwen said: ↑

IF you are correct, that's crazy.

Why feed something that will bite your own hand?
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Unfortunately there is no if Merwen. I'm disgusted with our elites. Just have a look what kind of people we support. Our elites call them moderates, our elites want to hand over Syria to people like this. Bloody disgusting. There are western witnesses to confirm this story.

Massacre Proves Turk, Washington Complicity in Syria Terror

http://www.strategic-culture.org/ne...rk-washington-complicity-in-syria-terror.html

On the morning of March 21, 2014, the Syrian village of Kessab was attacked with a combined force of Islamist jihadists and the Turkish army. Among the irregular militia were brigades belonging to the Free Syrian Army, Turkmen tribes and Al Qaeda-linked Al Nusra and the self-proclaimed Islamic State. All were working in tandem in the resulting massacre. And the evidence shows that the Ankara and Washington governments were fully complicit in the atrocity.

The dawn assault on the mainly Armenian Christian village of 2,000 inhabitants began with heavy artillery fire from Turkish army positions across the border in Turkey’s Hatay Province. Turkish army helicopters were also used to strafe Kessab homes and farms. The village is located in the Jebel Al-Aqra mountains overlooking the Mediterranean Sea only a few kilometres from the Turkish border in Syria’s Latakia Province.

After the initial salvos from the Turk army, the village was then attacked with thousands of militants who streamed across the border in pick-up trucks. Among the assault force were nationals from Chechnya, Afghanistan, Tunisia, Morocco, Saudi Arabia – as well as British and Australian, according to survivors.

Most of the Kessab residents managed to escape in panic from the advancing jihadists in cars and other vehicles to the southern city of Latakia, which is about an hour’s drive away and is under the control of the Syrian government.

But what transpired in the next days was a massacre of villagers who were left stranded. In total, 88 mainly elderly residents were slaughtered. Thirteen of the victims were beheaded. One young man, 21-year-old Kevork Djurian, was executed in front of his parents. The killers just laughed at his father Papken’s anguish. The jihadists refused to let the father bury his son, saying that he was «an Armenian dog».

Kessab was occupied by the jihadists for nearly three months before the Syrian Arab Army finally routed the militants and retook the village in mid-June 2014. Today, it still remains under Syrian government control.

Two witnesses to the slaughter have separately told this author of the event and its aftermath. One is an American citizen who has lived in Syria for more than 20 years. She is a medical professional who has a family home in Kessab. On the morning of the opening assault, she was in Latakia, but she tended to the survivors who fled to the main Armenian church in Latakia for sanctuary. As well as caring for the traumatised people, some of whom were her neighbours and friends, she carefully noted their accounts of how the initial attack unfolded. When the Syrian army later retook Kessab in June, the American medic returned to the village and witnessed the devastation that the jihadists had inflicted on homes, public buildings and churches.

Another witness is Irish peace activist, Dr Declan Hayes. He also managed to reach Kessab in the days following its recapture by the Syrian army. Hayes interviewed survivors and recorded the scenes of looting and destruction left behind by the fleeing anti-government militia.

«I interviewed the man whose son was slain in front of his eyes», says Hayes. «The jihadists left the young man’s bloodied corpse lying on the ground for three days outside the family home just to torment his parents».

Without exception, all the villagers said that the assault began with artillery fire and raids by helicopter gunships from Turk territory. «The border is heavily militarised with Turk army positions everywhere on the Turkish side. There is no doubt that this attack was launched with the direct involvement of the Turkish government in Ankara», adds Hayes.

Kessab is in the same mountainous location where Turkish F-16 fighter jets last week shot down a Russian Su-24 bomber, which had been carrying out raids on jihadist groups. The Russian plane came down in Syrian territory and one of its pilots was murdered as he parachuted to the ground by Turkmen militants. The Turkmen are Syrian citizens who are ethnically related to Turks across the border.

The American-Syrian woman (whose name has been withheld by this author on request) says that the Turkmen played an important role in the slaughter of Kessab. «They know all the roads, trails and paths into and out of Kessab. They were the ones who led the attackers into the village», she says.

Churches and a cultural centre in the village were desecrated. The attackers moved from house-to-house killing terrified dwellers and then they looted everything that was not nailed down or even those possessions that were nailed down. Money, jewellery, televisions, fridges, doors, windows, furnishings and farm equipment were systematically plundered and hauled back in trucks to be sold off across the border in Turkey.

Adding to the crimes, a group of about 30 elderly village folk were then abducted by the marauders and taken to the Turkish town of Vakifli some 20 kilometres across the border. They were held there by armed militants for several weeks before they were flown by the Turk authorities to the city of Tripoli in Lebanon. From there the people were able to make their way back to the sanctuary of Latakia. The circuitous route was chosen by the Turk regime in order to conceal its involvement in the crime.

During their abduction, the group was visited by an official American delegation that included the then US ambassador to Turkey, Francis Ricciardone. Ricciardone introduced himself through an interpreter. The petrified Kessab folk pleaded with the American official to intervene for their release. But he left them in their plight. What he wanted to know through his questioning was if any of the people from Kessab were American citizens.

As the American medic pointed out to this author: «There are a few US citizens like me who live in Kessab. There is a big diaspora community of Armenian Syrians in the United States and many of them have homes back in Syria. It seems that the American ambassador was worried that if any US citizens were among the Kessab survivors this would rebound badly for the American government if that news got out».

As noted, once the US ambassador established that there were apparently no American citizens involved in the aftermath of the Kessab assault, he duly left them to their fate of captivity in Turkey.

What that encounter illustrates is that Washington must have been fully aware of what went down in Kessab. How else would the US diplomat know to show up to question the abducted villagers?

In the days following the attack on the village, Samantha Power, the US ambassador to the United Nations, issued a perfunctory, bland statement about Washington’s «concern» over the violence. But Washington did not specify who the guilty parties were, nor did it issue any censure of the Turk government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who was the prime minister at that time. He is now the president.

In fact, a subsequent statement issued by State Department official Victoria Nuland claimed that the Turk government had no involvement in the Kessab incident. However, the Russian, Syrian and Armenian governments did make explicit condemnations of the massacre.

The Turkish government claimed that it had no role in the attack. In an official release, the Erdogan regime said: «The allegations by some circles that Turkey is providing support to the opposition forces by letting them use its territory or through some other ways during the conflict which have intensified recently in the Latakia/Kessab region are totally unfounded and untrue».

But the testimonies cited in this article show that the Turk authorities were directly involved in the military assault and the orchestration of jihadist militants. The Ankara government’s denials of what happened in Kessab are thus barefaced lies.

On April 1, 2014, 12 days after the assault began, Ahmed Jarba, the leader of the Western-backed Syrian National Council (SNC), arrived in Kessab. The SNC is the exiled political wing of the Free Syrian Army. Jarba, who is a protégé of the Saudi regime, went there to inspect the occupation and congratulate the militants on their successful breach of government-held territory in Latakia. The breach of territory to the Mediterranean coast was considered a significant victory for the militants. The following month, in May, Jarba was received in the White House by President Barack Obama. He was also greeted by Obama’s National Security advisor, Susan Rice.

The «rape of Kessab», as Dr Declan Hayes has called it, was fully conducted by fighters belonging to the Western-backed FSA, along with jihadist brigades comprising Turkmen tribesmen and Al Qaeda-linked Al Nusra and Islamic State.

The incident serves as a microcosm of the entire four-and-a-half-year-old Syrian conflict. The mainly Armenian Christian village of Kessab is home to all religious sects that reside in Syria, including Alawite and Sunni Muslims. The farming community has lived peaceably together for centuries and has never been persecuted by the Syrian government of President Assad. The only previous persecution was a century ago, in 1915, when the Turk Ottoman empire carried out the Armenian genocide, when 1.5 million Armenians were exterminated. Tragically, many survivors of the Kessab massacre last year are descendants of that first genocide.

On the morning of March 21 last year, the community of Kessab was plunged into an orgy of barbarism carried out by Western, Turk and Saudi-backed jihadists. The whole notion contrived by Western governments and their mainstream media that the West is backing «secular, moderate rebels» in Syria fighting against a sectarian, despotic regime is thus exposed as a vile charade, as the carnage at Kessab shows.

Of particular import is the criminal role played by the Turk government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan, not only in the orchestration of the slaughter at Kessab, but, more generally, throughout the entire Syrian conflict.

Erdogan has this week flatly denied claims made by Russian President Vladimir Putin that Ankara is complicit in fuelling the conflict in Syria by supporting terrorists through an industrial-scale campaign, involving the smuggling of oil for weapons. Erdogan has even said that he will resign if it is proven that his regime is complicit. His arrogant confidence seems to stem from his regime’s brutal suppression of Turk media publishing verifiable articles that Turkish state intelligence has indeed been running truck-loads of weapons into Syria.

Previously, by way of attempting to absolve the Turk state from charges of terrorist collusion, Erdogan claimed that weapons were being sent to help Turkmen «brothers» to defend themselves from the Syrian army. Following the brutal murder of the Russian pilot by Turkmen jihadists last week, Erdogan this week changed his tune and claimed that weapon convoys into Syria were allegedly being sent to the «Free Syrian Army».

But, as the Kessab massacre demonstrates, the so-called «moderate» FSA is an integral and indistinguishable component of the proxy terrorist army that Ankara and its Washington ally are supporting to overthrow the elected government of President Assad. Any difference is patently just a figment of imaginative propaganda.

Obama, while at the Paris climate change summit this week (appropriately, a «hot-air» conference of world leaders), has this week reiterated calls on Russia to focus its military campaign on the Islamic State and to halt its aerial attacks on «moderate rebels».

The American president and his Turk ally are in no position to lecture anybody about «terrorists» and «moderates». They are all part of the same criminal gang, and that gang includes Obama and Erdogan.
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Il Ðoge · Dec 3, 2015

It can't be a good sign that Infowars was right.

Woogs · Dec 3, 2015

I posted this on November 30.

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Turkey is delaying the passage of Russian flagged cargo ships through the Bosphorus Strait.

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https://charter97.org/en/news/2015/11/30/180710/

Vessels sailing under the flag of Russia are now facing challenges while passing the Bosphorus Strait that connects the Black Sea with the Sea of Marmara.

Kyiv-based Center for Transport Strategies reported it with reference to data of an online vessel tracking system atmarinetraffic.com.

As reported, on Sunday Russian vessels were moving on a zig-zag and curved course, waiting for hours for permission to cross the Strait.

Movements of vessels from other countries were without a delay on that day. Russian vessels entered the Bosphorus late in the evening of November 29.

goody · Dec 3, 2015

Giftedone said: ↑

I do not think Turkey has actually "blocked" the straights. They are playing a dangerous game by holding up Russian ships but I do not think they have gone as far as to actually block them.

If they did do this I think all hell would break loose.
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Turkey did not close the Dardanelles and Bosporus. That's the Greek government propagandist's lie.

One Battleship (156 Yamal) has passed both straits and gone to Syria in Nov 25th right after the SU-24 incident. It then returned back passed through straits again to Russia yesterday. Another Russian "navy logistics" ship just passed the straights and on it's way to Mediterranean sea. I can't believe how these people lie so easy...

See these:

http://www.dogurehberi.com/english-...-ship-passes-through-dardanelles-h930445.html

http://www.china.org.cn/world/2015-11/25/content_37155179.htm

Regards;

Sly Lampost · Dec 3, 2015

Texas Republican said: ↑

I heard it was the U.S. that aided Hitler to power, which set up WW II, which led to what the U.S. really wanted ... a Cold War with Russia.
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Correct apart from the last bit.

The west wanted Hitler to attack and destroy the Soviet Union and financed him towards that end. Instead, he attacked the west first. Hence WWII. And hence the continuation of US policy to destroy the Bolsheviks that led to the cold war post WWII. I'm happy to post links evidencing this if you like (although I have already done so on other threads).

Apart from this it has been US policy to exchange petrodollars for arms to various dodgy heads of state over the years. Likewise for terrorists too, although the "magic circle" is drug revenues for weapons in place of oil. Consequently, the US has covertly encouraged various "purchasers" to develop the drugs trade to create the income streams for the weapons to fight regional/local wars as US proxies. The US have additionally facilitated a ready and greedy market for the resulting narcotics by facilitating the delivery of drugs to the US (and elsewhere).

Giftedone · Dec 3, 2015

goody said: ↑

Turkey did not close the Dardanelles and Bosporus. That's the Greek government propagandist's lie.

One Battleship (156 Yamal) has passed both straits and gone to Syria in Nov 25th right after the SU-24 incident. It then returned back passed through straits again to Russia yesterday. Another Russian "navy logistics" ship just passed the straights and on it's way to Mediterranean sea. I can't believe how these people lie so easy...

See these:

http://www.dogurehberi.com/english-...-ship-passes-through-dardanelles-h930445.html

http://www.china.org.cn/world/2015-11/25/content_37155179.htm

Regards;
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That is kind of what I thought anyway but thanks for the links.

Sly Lampost · Dec 3, 2015

Originally Posted by Silver Surfer View Post
Slight correction. The U.S foreign policy makers are trying to start war with Russia. There is an alliance between neocons and Brzezinski. Brzezinski is directing Obama's foreign policies. He always wanted an alliance between the USA and so called 'political Islam'. Hence absolute mess in the Middle East. Washington D.C lunatics want to spread chaos to Central Asia. The idea is to use radical Sunni groups to advance the U.S geostrategic goals.
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Merwen said: ↑

IF you are correct, that's crazy.

Why feed something that will bite your own hand?
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The Brzezinski Doctrine:

Extract:

"The outrageous strategy to destroy Russia
by Arthur Lepic
Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carters former adviser, embodies the continuity of U.S. foreign policy whether it is democratic or republican. A great admirer of Henry Kissinger, Brzezinski has always defended, praised and shown an absolute respect for the masters two diplomacy concepts: the balance of the powers theorized by Metternich and George Kennans containment doctrine. Zbigniew Brzezinski recommends how Russia should be militarily weakened and intimidated. He is convinced that the best way to achieve it is by destabilizing its border regions, a political strategy that aroused the interest of former presidential candidate John Kerrys team who recruited his son Mark Brzezinski as its foreign policy adviser.
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And

The Russian Threat and the American Supremacy

In 1989, Brzezinski quit his job at Columbia University where he taught since 1960 to work on Ukraines independent status plan. This marks the beginning of his compromise to prevent the resurgence of Russia as a superpower. He defended Russias integration to the Western system and the geopolitical multiparty system in the territory of the former Soviet Union.

He also developed a plan for Europe that included NATOs expansion to the Baltic republics, a dream that came true when three of them joined NATO in 2002. During the 90s he was the special envoy of the American President to promote the most important oil infrastructure project of the world: the Baku-Tbilissi-Ceyhan pipeline which was his best opportunity to prevent the resurgence of Russia. He has also been, since 1999, the president of the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya, whose headquarters are located at the Freedom House facility. This position allows him to intervene in peace negotiations between the Russian government and independence fighters led by Mashkadov. However, the truth behind these good will democratic activities is to assist independence followers to maintain a war in the area, like the Afghan one, to weaken Russian and to keep it away from the gains of the Caspian Sea.

Brzezinskis doctrine («The power ruling Eurasia will control two of the most economically advanced and productive areas of the world») is related to NATOs expansion to the East, something the Clintons Administration actively worked on. But, how could they sell NATO to Europeans? «The European region located in the Western border of Eurasia and next to Africa is much more exposed to the risks of the increasing global disorder than a more politically united, military powerful and geographically isolated America (...).

The Europeans will be more exposed to risk if an imperialist chauvinism encourages Russias foreign policy», said Brzezinski to National Interest magazine in year 2000. [5] The whole thing is quite clear: the deployment of NATOs forces around Russia was a preventive measure. If Russias reaction is to be defensive, it means that it is planning to restore its empire and totalitarianism.
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Read the entire piece HERE.

Silver Surfer · Dec 3, 2015

I might add to Sly's post...We're watching it in the real time...

cerberus · Dec 3, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

I heard the average IQ in Texas was below 80. I don't know whether to believe it or not. But the more I hear from you....Let's leave it there.
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I blame daytime tv.

vis · Dec 3, 2015

Jeannette said: ↑

By closing the straits, the megalomaniac sitting in Ankara has blockaded Russia. Russia's container ships are waiting to go through the Bosporus, but only Turkish ships are being allowed through.

Turkey has a right to do this according to the Montreaux Treaty if it fears aggression, or if it is in a state of war with Russia. So what is it, does it fear aggression or is it in a state of war?

According to Nato, they will support a nation if it is attacked, but Turkey was not attacked, it attacked Russia. I hope they remember this before Turkey drags the world into war.

Today Pres. Putin has deployed 150,000 troops and equipment into Syria, as well as 7,000 Russian Troops, tanks, rocket launchers and artillery, to the Russian Border of Turkey at Armenia, with orders to be fully combat ready.

This latest development of blockading Russian naval vessels is a massive and terrifyingly dangerous development. Blockading Russia and preventing its Black Sea fleet from traveling to the rest of the world, or back to its home port, is something that will not sit well with the Russians.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkey...as-black-sea-fleet-completely-cut-off/5492688
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So far, no information about it in the Russian mass media, so I do not think these are reliable news.

Hoosier8 · Dec 3, 2015

Jeannette said: ↑

Hey, you're confusing Russia with a bunch of rogue nations...like the US for instance. Russia only goes where it is invited by legitimate governments... like for instance Assad's government.
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Ha, ha, ha, funny.

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Jeannette said: ↑

Those Turkmen are an excuse. If you knew Erdogan's policies, and his PM Devotoglu's book 'Strategic Depth', you would know that he wants to rebuild the Ottoman Empire...one nation at a time. He's the one that back stabbed Assad and destroyed Syria.
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Yeah, people always need an 'excuse' to strike back.

tidbit · Dec 3, 2015

Jeannette said: ↑

Erdogan is irrational. It seems now that he got away with the lies about shooting the plane down, and getting paid by Merkel for flooding Europe with migrants, that his head has blown up even more so. I think he and his side kick are starting to feel invincible.

Today in response to Merkel's 3 1/2 billion bribe to stop the human traffickers, Turkey sent even more migrants...even though the morgue in Lesvos is packed with drowned children. And to prove they can do whatever they want, six Turkish fighter jets were making maneuvers over Greek islands until they were chased away by the Greek ones.
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It sounds like a New World 'Order' Trojan War is brewing. In Homer's The Iliad, the battle was long and bloody, but the Turks lose.

snakestretcher · Dec 3, 2015

Texas Republican said: ↑

We can only hope.
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You hope for the deaths of millions? Strange...because if ever the West gets into a shooting war with Russia that's a very serious possibility.

BestViewedWithCable · Dec 3, 2015

Silver Surfer said: ↑

You need to remember that Saddam was clandestinely given the green light to enter Kuwait by the USA and the whole hell broke lose. I wouldn't be surprised if some not particularly bright people in Washington D.C try to manipulate Erdogan in doing something stupid. I'm almost certain that the Turks were told to shot the plane down by someone from Washington D.C.
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Thats false, please prove it with links.

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