Turkey Closed Straits - Russia Blockaded - Has World War III Begun?

http://www.csun.edu/~vcmth00m/iraqkuwait.html

On September 18, 1990, the Iraqi Foreign Ministry published verbatim the transcripts of meetings between Saddam Hussein and high level U.S. officials. Knight-Ridder columnist James McCartney acknowledged that the transcripts were not disputed by the U.S. State Department. U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie informed Hussein that, "We have no opinion on...conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait." She reiterated this position several times, and added, "Secretary of State James Baker has directed our official spokesman to emphasize this instruction." A week before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, Baker's spokesperson, Margaret Tutwiler and Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly both stated publicly that "the United States was not obligated to come to Kuwait's aid if it were attacked." (Santa Barbara News-Press September 24, 1990 cited in [1]).

Two days before the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Assistant Secretary of State John Kelly testified before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee that the United States has no defense treaty relationship with any Gulf country." The New York Daily News editorialized on September 29, 1990, "Small wonder Saddam concluded he could overrun Kuwait. Bush and Co. gave him no reason to believe otherwise." (quoted in [1]).

 

That is not a US approval for Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait as you claimed.

Thats merely a statement that Kuwait was not a part of NATO, or any other US alliance.

Obviously, the Gulf War proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

First off, I'm not the one that made any claim. Someone else said that the US clandestinely gave Saddam a green light on Kuwait. What I provided is in reference to that statement.

I don't see anyone claiming US approval. Those are your words.

 

I see I was wrong, my bad.

Thanks.

 

"I hope they remember this before Turkey drags the world into war."

It is Russia/Putin dragging people into war, not Turkey.

 

No problem. I came across this info a couple of years ago. It struck me then how at odds it was to the way the war was sold.

The whole article I linked is interesting. Well worth a read.

 

Not against Turkey, but Vladimir Putin does despise disloyalty and treachery; something Erdogan showed himself to be when he ambushed Russia's plane and killed the pilot and then killed the rescuer as well. Afterwards Erdogan lied and said the plane was in Turkish air space.

Erdogan is a criminal as is his son, and it's amazing the way American media covers it up, when they should be conducting an investigation. Turkey does use a top US law firm as lobbyists, so the media might be frightened...or they might be frightened of Washington.

Only this past week in Turkey, the General who discovered the arms the Turkish Intelligence was shipping to ISIS was arrested for treason... as were the editor and reporter of Cumhurriyet newspaper who revealed it to the public.

These arrests were in addition to forty reporters in Turkey who were arrested recently for daring to go against Erdogan and his AKP party before the elections..

 

If this is accurate, it's quite damning.

 

You are behind the curve, here. There are several notable people ex cia, ex gov't officials that are saying exactly what that other feller said in regards to this incident. And it goes farther than this... the US met with the house of saud and told him about what Iraq was about to do, with the next stop, Saudi Arabia. But we would protect them, if we could locate military assets on Saudi lands....and that came to pass, after the King was advised not to allow US infidels on holy land. And the rest is history.

Now, you can find this online, from you tube talks given and I do not recall who they are, but I once spent a day a few years ago listening to what these men had to say. It's kinda common knowledge once you get outside MSM and understand what the news is today.

Ever hear of Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, who served under Reagan, and was editor and writer for the WSJ? Listen to the man for a hour, and get educated. The trouble is there is a great disconnect from what reality is today, created perhaps by this ideological tribalism that serves to make people stupid, which is a disconnect from reality. That is how this stuff works.

In regards to the OP, I do not know if this is factual or not. I hope it is not factual. But you got some stuff going on in the ME today that makes another horrible huge war very possible. We do not have rational actors in DC today, but just a bunch of embiciles. And with many of the GOP candidates for the oval office all vying for who would press the red button first in regards to Russia. These people are on "Roids"

 

Are you sure it's Greek propaganda and not Armenian? Or maybe it's Syrian propaganda from Assad?

On a serious note, maybe you should get your facts straight. It's the Russian merchant ships that aren't able to go through the Bosporus, not their military ships. They went through before the sanctions were imposed on Turkey.

 

I do not know who you are, some might say a Russian plant, but with what I know about the situation with Russia, using Dr. Paul Craig Roberts as a source with integrity, you seem to be connected to reality, whereas these ideological driven tribalists here are completely disconnected from reality.

These people have no clue as to how this world of high gov't, elite special interests who run it, works. They still think we live in a republic when all of the evidence that they ignore says the contrary. What do you do with people who either choose disconnection, or lack the depth of intelligence to see it? I sure as hell do not know.

 

This is what the West is desperately looking for: WAR.

The US is in bankruptcy (don't be blind. Congress asking to raise the borrow limit means bankruptcy).

Europe is found trapped with billions of dollars that have no funds. (The US government asked the Bank of Reserve to print bills without the proper back up with gold and silver).

The Eastern countries economic upheaval is a challenge to the corrupt and decaying Western economy.

The only solution to cover up the imminent falling of the Western economy is by provoking a WW3.

Doing so, the "bad guys" will be the Eastern countries.

 

Turkey is using some kind of excuse for the delay of Russian merchant ships....as well as other merchant ships. Only Turkish registered ones are allowed to pass.

Since the container shipping market has been very slow, and the costs of delays can run into tens of thousands of dollars a day, this might be a form of black mail to get the companies to use Turkish registered ships, and thereby force shipping firms to register in Turkey rather than in other countries. It would also help his son Bilal if he owns container ships as well as tankers.

The fact that he's allowing Turkish registered ships to pass through, and not the others might be against the Montreaux Convention.

 

Oh then Russia ambushed the Turkish jet and killed the pilot and the rescuer as well? Thank you for letting us all know.

 

All Turkey has to do is put in and announce a mine field and the onus for any lost Russian ships goes back to Russia. Remember, Russia cannot force the straights.

 

How is Turkey exerting sovereignty over its territory NATO 'provoking war'...

It strikes me Russia has been able to play the playground bully without serious push back for so long they do not know how to deal with resistance.

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As far as I know Russia has under 20,000 troops in Syria and only a small fraction of that are combatants.

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Where do you get this nonsense? You sound like Obama pretending yesterdays Muslim Terrorism was not terrorism, or a Clinton redefining words???

 

To no end...It is a nonsense claim. This entire argument is about stuff that is not happening except in the deluded minds of a few posters...It should be on the 'UFO and Conspiracy' Forum...

 

and Russia as conveniently retained the complete power to label countries 'legit' and not...Tell me, just what legit government invited Russia to shoot down that passenger airliner?

 

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Somebody spilled their Kool-Aid...

 

Just a quick Note...the warship 156 Yamal is NOT a battleship...in fact no one in the world has any active battleships in service. The ship in question is an Amphibious warfare vessel designed to move soldiers or cargo, not to fight other ships or aircraft.

 

It is plain as day. They were trying to do it when they were destroying Yugoslavia. General Wesely Clark ordered HATO forces to attack the Russians at Pristina Airport.
But the Captain ordered to do the attack refused. He was backed by a British General and the attempted war on Russia was averted.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/how-james-blunt-saved-us-from-world-war-3-2134203.html

 

Russian warships pass the Bosporus and Dardanelles freely. Not only - Russian warships pass Straits are not picking up the Turkish "guest" flag. In a sign of contempt for the Turks.

Large landing ship of the Black Sea Fleet "Saratov" with a cargo for Syria.



Implementation by Turkey of the provisions of the Montreux Convention - the question is not legal, but rather, the military - So explain to me the familiar lawyers in other words, according to the agreements between the Black Sea powers, Turkey in 1936, the obligation to keep the Bosporus and the Dardanelles in good condition, regulate, and provide all pilots. And all the Black Sea countries her for this difficult job paying. Enable or disable nobody nobody gives. - The passage has a notifying character: Of course, the war nullifies the agreement, neither the lawyers nor the prosecutors do not need during the fighting.

 

Holy (*)(*)(*)(*) ......

 

Turkey can close all the straits they want. Its their territory

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the article is lyng.

Russia hasn't sent 150,000 troops to Syria, let alone 20,000.

 

Hope so...