Why did Al Qaeda foolishly attack us on 9-11?

So every so called "conservative" feels the same way, marching lockstep in unison? Dude, seriously get a clue.

It's brands of partisan extremism like yours, and your comrades on the left that's tearing this country apart.

So how about you own it for once.

 

Because when Paul Wolfowitz wrote the US National Security Plan with Dick Cheney, Donald "Duck" rumsfield, and other devense contractors, they stated that the USA needs to have a catastrophic event to send the USA into a war, in order for the USA to become safe and prosper. And simple minded politicians believed, and worshiped. Also, they needed to destroy any financial documents and government contract documents that would uncover their corruption for the past 20 years, so the public would not know where their loyalty was. That is why there are no financial records for Dick, Donald, Paul, and other insiders like the classaction law suits of the Bush family during the savings and loan fraud in the early 1990s. Hence no document liking them to corporate crime prior to 2001.

 

Great, the tinfoil hats are here.^^^^^^^

 

You must be George Bush.

 

What, all of them dear? Actually I hate capitalism too; it's the monumentally incompetent screw-ups in Wall Street who are the root cause of the deep financial crap the world is now enjoying swimming in.
Thank you America! And thank you Rapunzel for reminding me what a disaster your economy is.

 

How has Europe faired under its form of government?

 

Irony by the bucket load.

 

It was nothing but and their communications show that is what they concluded.

And better to do it there than Afghanistan where they can better defend themselves.

 

The enemy of my friend is my friend. They both knew they had mutual goals and were willing and ready to assist each other in attacking the West. That has been conclusively shown in the files and papers we uncovered in Iraq.

 

So those terrorist attacks are equal in scale and scope to 9/11?

Are you serious?

 

They weren't terrorist attacks on the US?

Are you serious?

That al Qaeda was ramping up it's attacks going for bigger targets only shows how embolden they were getting due to the weak responses to the attacks they committed.

 

King Abdullah of Arabia was NOT king until late 2005... Fahd was king.

Muslim Brotherhood wouldn't partner with Al Qaeda.. Their goals are different because MB has matured over the past 40 years.

 

Was that the argument?

Are you?

Then they must have been extremely emboldened by the complete lack of response by the Bush administration.

 

Closer than the red herring you threw out.

Dead serious are you? How absurd how you trying to marginalize the previous al Qaeda attacks.

What lack of response? You didn't know we went after them in Afghanistan and then defeated them in Iraq?

 

I didn't. I simply stated that those attacks were not on the scale or scope of 9/11. That is a factual statement.

Yes AFTER the 9/11 attacks. BEFORE the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration did nothing despite the Clinton administration leaving various counter-terrorism plans and experts to aid them in their fight against Bin Laden.

 

Of course, Iraq was a huge strategic defeat for al Qaeda. It was in Iraq where al Qaeda was defeated in what their leadership declared the central battleground of the global jihad, and it was in Iraq that their takfirist antics finally alienated their fellow Muslims.

To make matters worse for AQ, one has to consider that this defeat took place in the heart of the Arab Middle East - not in the remote hinterlands of the Pashtun Hindu Kush - which was also the seat of the Abbasid Caliphate, which was the last great Arab caliphate. It may not be significant to you or most Westerners, but it is very significant to the nostalgic jihadists in AQ who sought to revive the so-called Golden Age of Islam.

 

What? AQ in Iraq???

I seriously doubt that.. When the war on Iraq began to take longer than the two months the Neocons had predicted, of course they claimed that AQ had moved in..

 

You are very correct, Rapunzel.

Are you aware of the differences between the Sunni Muslims and the Shiite Muslims? Are you aware there exists a lot of hatred between these two groups? When they are not fighting us and the people of Israel, they are fighting each other!

Here is a very excellent review on these distinctive differences between these two religionsd groups.

 

The vast majority of insurgents were former Iraqi military that the Bush administration foolishly disbanded when they took over the country. What the administration should have done was to keep the Iraqi military in place and convert them into the police and military. What ended up happening is that you had thousands of unemployed, highly trained military men bitter about losing the war and dealing with an occupied force in their country.

 

Yes trying to marginalize them else what was your point?

Wrong Bush order a complete revamping of the intelligence gathering and reporting and ordered a complete review in order to get more proactive in our fight against the terrorist, that review landed on his desk the day before the attack. And Richard Clarke testified that even if they had continued with the Clinton doctrine it would not have stopped the attacks. They were well on the way before Bush even took office.

 

Actually.. the Ottoman Caliphate was the sick man of Europe and had little influence.. The Arab world stagnated ..

Why do you suppose that when Faisel Al Husseini declared himself Caliph in 1924 he was chased off the Arabian Peninsula????

 

AND al Qaeda moved it's efforts to Iraq after we ran them out of Afghanistan and took the war there. HUGE mistake on their part. Had Saddam still been in power he would have provided them cover and a bases of operation.

 

Here's one answer, James:

One has to consider the mind and ideology of UBL to understand his motives.

I think there's also another, more personal motive behind UBL's foolish decision to attack the US, and that was his sense of humiliation following the al-Saud's refusal to permit him and his jihadists to defend the Land of the Two Holy Mosques from Baathist Iraq. No doubt, bin Laden was deeply insulted by this decision, which is why many believe he chose primarily Saudi operatives to carry out the 9/11 attacks - to drive a punitive wedge between the Saudis and their American protectors.

 

Yes.. I think you have a good grasp on OBL's motives... but while OBL may have been thrilled about 9-11, I don't think he knew about it in advance.

Mohammed Atta had his own issues with tourism in Egypt, the changes to the heart of old Cairo, Western influence etc. His friends in Germany.. (germans) have been interviewed concerning what he always talked about.

I think the conspiracy was small and closely held.

 

What nonsense. From his 1998 fatwa-

We had about 15,000 troops in al the lands of Islam at that time. This silliness about Bin Laden wanting us to attack is just silly. He was hoping for a replay of Lebanon in 83 and Somalia in 93 where we withdrew all troops. This silliness about Osama wanted us to attack didnt apear until AFTER our invasion.